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Friendly Face Posts: 486 **12/18/12 2:58 pm**

I just had an online discussion with an individual professor who took me to task for my posting here. I attempted to have a logical dialogue, but the individual further confirmed my statement that the very people who promote free speech and critical thought have zero tolerance for anyone who thinks differently than themselves. They say things like, "There is room for various thoughts and ideas at the table." Yet, they refuse to entertain anything that opposes their dogmatic ideology!

The individual (who I know is reading this post) chastised me for writing my concerns to Dr. Conn and Dr. Land because, "The livelihood of faculty is at stake." ARE YOU KIDDING ME? We should passively allow instructors to teach our future ministers, leaders and educators from a liberal or socialistic world view because the livelihood of the faculty should be our primary concern? Please?! Twisted Evil

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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5330 **12/18/12 3:51 pm**

Thank you for standing firm David and for following through with your convictions on this by writing both schools. I applaud your actions.

Ronald

That Is How It Is!

Friendly Face Posts: 405 **12/18/12 3:54 pm**

The machine that has been created has long ago overshadowed its true purpose. No longer is our learning at LC about what is right and wrong scripturally but what keeps the institution going. We are no longer a Pentecostal church. I wonder where COG would be today if in yrs past there was a mindset structure as there is today. P L Walker was called to preach when the Holy Ghost power fell and classes were delayed "days" due to the mighty outpouring! Today there is not room within our machine for that kind of manifestation. It would be deemed fanatical and quickly shut down. I shutter to think what we will be as a denomination due to the lifeless unctionless ministers that are being massed produced out of LC.

PastorJackson

Re: That Is How It Is!

Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4743 **12/18/12 4:35 pm**

J David Smith

J David Smith · Friendly Face Posts: 486 **12/18/12 5:11 pm**

Please let each post stand on it's own merit. I have spent a lot of money and time with Lee, and may have two kids attending there next year. I also believe that the seminary is the best out there. I am a supporter of both. However, as someone with a vested interest in both, I have expressed my concerns on the issues that I feel will keep both of them as the top choice for Christian families to send their students to with the confidence that they will not be exposed to to a worldview that is in contrast to the Biblical worldview that has always been the selling point for Lee and Seminary Wow, is this a run on sentence?).

I repeat again...my posts ARE NOT a blanket criticism of Lee or Seminary!

Eddie Robbins

Eddie Robbins · Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **12/18/12 6:33 pm**

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Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1924 **12/18/12 6:40 pm**

Troy, you can try to twist my words and maurice can join you in saying basically the same thing that Troy did but that won't make a bit of difference in the fact that what you guys are saying is untrue.

You two, as well as others on this board, have a lot of nerve casting aspersions on the spiritural life of anyone else when you have such a problem with the truth!

But as Major likes to say, whatever you say to contradict this.........IT Doesn't Matter!

PastorJackson

Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4743 **12/18/12 6:41 pm**

Thanks Eddie I will thanks for the email.

Eddie Robbins

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **12/18/12 7:03 pm**

From PTS? I thought you were referring to Lee?

PastorJackson

Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4743 **12/18/12 7:24 pm**

Really? Tell me why was this set up using false names? Do you really think I will put my friends in jeopardy just because you want some names? I will not! And I was referring to PTS sorry for not being more clear on that.

Eddie Robbins

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **12/18/12 7:26 pm**

When you talk about Lee, you are talking about family. If someone says "they say...." with nothing to back it up, it is throwing rumors around that people read and some will believe it. If I came on here and said what I heard about your wife, you'd be ticked. Lee is my family and I feel the same way about it. Is it perfect? Nope. Neither are you and me. We are all a work in progress.

PastorJackson

Apology

Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4743 **12/18/12 7:42 pm**

To all on here who was insulted by a perceived insult on Lee, it was not intended to be that. I agreed with a statement about the path the COG appears to be heading down and I asked a simple question and I was set upon, Eddie was gracious enough to inform me that people take that personally so I apologize and no insult on the school intended.
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Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **12/18/12 7:47 pm**

I don't mind true criticism of Lee and folks can say whatever they want here as long as Doyle allows it. My deal is that when a poster says "they say.." or "I have heard...." because that is rumor. You can't defend that. BTW, Lee is not my family just because my brother-in-law is the Prez. I feel that way anyway and will when he's gone.

SouthernBerean

Acts-celerater Posts: 648 **12/18/12 8:24 pm**

Pastor Jackson wrote:

burned out

No Dog in this one here, but...

Friendly Face Posts: 179 **12/18/12 9:01 pm**

Is it just me, or does anyone else look at this dialogue and think of StringBender defending unions?

Yes it is good to give exact examples when speaking of someone specific; however, I am not sure that one can cast aspersions on someone without issuing a name.

When speaking of an entity I would think that generalizations would be easy to defend with specific details. Instead of giving what should be easy proof that these generalization are untrue, you guys attack those that are making statements/asking questions.

If you speak against the local assembly where I worship, it would not bother me at all. 1) I know the truth about our assembly 2) I can easily dismiss false accusations with factual information. But to get upset and complain about the people asking questions/making false statements, well that would reek of a weak defense...probably making someone listening more prone to believe that there is a problem.
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Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3954 **12/18/12 10:10 pm**

I believe that none of you know anything about the faculty at the School of Religion. What do you know about Hoskins, Diehl, Huddleston, Kerr, Jackson, Daugherty or McMillan? Have you sat in their classes? Have you read their papers? Have you taken them to lunch?

These professors and instructors have never offended you, spoken ill if you, undermined your teaching. Not one of them is your enemy?

Huh? What? Oh, we're talking about another school in Tennessee? Then, nevermind.

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Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 **12/18/12 11:19 pm**

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Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 **12/18/12 11:21 pm**

Does Lee follow the typical tenure system of other universities? If so, it can be really, really hard to get rid of a tenured professor.
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Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3658 **12/19/12 1:16 am**

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erudition and liberalism

Friendly Face Posts: 312 **12/19/12 1:25 am**

This particular thread scratches an intellectual itch I've had for some time, and except for a few notable exceptions, the posts are revelatory of a genuine strain in our movement. Since I began preparing for ministry in earnest more than thirty-two years ago, I have suspected something that has been repeatedly affirmed by empirical evidence - erudition breeds liberalism.

By it's very definition, liberalism is innately focused on the perceptions and appreciations of the individual in relation to the world around him rather than objective standards and absolute truths. The very roots of classical liberalism are antithetical to historical Christianity. When John Locke, the father of philosophical liberalism, posited the idea that the intellect is shaped solely by sensations and reflections rather than inherent spiritual compulsions (tabula rasa), he abjectly denied the Word's assertion that man is influenced and shaped by his primordial spiritual predilections (Proverbs 20:27, 1 Cor 2:11, Job 32:8 - among others). Though Locke's ideas served as fodder for the burgeoning revolutionary movements of the time, orthodox Christianity maintained a distinct separation from his 'enlightened' thinking. Our own Declaration of Independence, though a masterpiece of political and social prose, bears the signature of this kind of liberal emphasis in the demand for '...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' - noble ideas to be sure in the context of feudal abuses, but exposing even there the unhealthy co-mingling of self-interest without subjugation to absolute truth or right.

Not to be misunderstood, critical thinking is essential to the development of theological and moral depth - the problem is the rubric by which the criticism is constrained. Liberalism places perception and the processes of the enlightened intellect squarely as the arbiters of truth, value, and precedence - essentially ascribing to the individual the RIGHT to examine and determine for himself the merit of any given impulse or desire. Conversely, orthodox Christianity begins the discussion with the boundaries established by scripture and historical theological understanding, and merit is determined by objective standards given by revelation of the Holy Spirit in accepted canon. Locke's embrace of Socinianism is notable as a natural extension of this unhealthy elevation of perception over absolutism.

In the context of modern Pentecostal academia, I fear there is a danger of the same weaknesses cloaked as supposed latter day spiritual enlightenment. Rather than focusing on pursuit of the Great Commission and the Great Commandment, liberal theology trends toward the issues that affect the creature in sitio with a desire to inform the creation rather than redeem it. Issues of environmentalism, civil rights, separation of church and state, and many others rate nothing but peripheral mention in Holy Scripture, yet the thrust of modern liberalism demands significant attention be paid lest one be considered 'unenlightened' or worse. As painful as it may seem to some whose views are grounded in this world's perceptions rather than Kingdom priorities, the cause of the Kingdom is not redemption of this creation, but introduction of this creation to the Redeemer. Overt pursuit of intellectual validation by the venerated unredeemed smacks of insecurity at best and epistemological cowardice at the extreme. Paradoxically, even slavery is addressed from the standpoint of how a Christian should relate within it's constraint rather than it's elimination - something that is unthinkable to the modern liberal mindset which place emphasis on the individual's rights over his witness. Unlike modern environmental thought, scripture commissions man to stewardship of nature, not it's veneration. Scripture is less concerned with the political framework of church/state relations than with the authenticity and effectiveness of the church's message. Almost every other issue that demands priority from modern liberal thought requires a degree of spiritual gerrymandering in order to validate it as essentially Christian.

As to the prevalence of liberalism in our institutions of higher learning, my concern is that no matter how politically correct the ideals upon which liberal academics fulminate, they are fundamentally a distraction from the profoundly simply purpose of authentic Christian pedagogy - the development of well prepared, thoroughly equipped witnesses for the cause of Christ that can penetrate the fields of secular endeavor with notable excellence and to perpetuate Christian truth - not redefine it.
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