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 Pastor's who teach the principle of the tithe |
Tracy S Hamilton |
Jack Hayford
Robert Morris
Brady Boyd
Stovall Weems
Joel Osteen
Craig Groeschel
Andy Stanley - the blessing of being a percentage giver (tither)
Loran Livingston
Jentezen Franklin
Ed Young Sr.
Ed Young Jr.
Charles Blake
Bob Coy
Kerry Shook
Dave Stone
T.D. Jakes
Joe Champion
Creflo Dollar
Chuck Smith
Greg Surratt
Tommy Barnett
Jimmy Evans
The list could go on and on and on...... I think all of these men are pretty sound doctrinally and all teach on tithing. Surely that can't all be wrong or maybe they just haven't read Actscelerate. |
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| Re: Pastor's who teach the principle of the tithe |
roughridercog |
| Tracy S Hamilton wrote: | Jack Hayford
Robert Morris
Brady Boyd
Stovall Weems
Joel Osteen
Craig Groeschel
Andy Stanley - the blessing of being a percentage giver (tither)
Loran Livingston
Jentezen Franklin
Ed Young Sr.
Ed Young Jr.
Charles Blake
Bob Coy
Kerry Shook
Dave Stone
T.D. Jakes
Joe Champion
Creflo Dollar
Chuck Smith
Greg Surratt
Tommy Barnett
Jimmy Evans
The list could go on and on and on...... I think all of these men are pretty sound doctrinally and all teach on tithing. Surely that can't all be wrong or maybe they just haven't read Actscelerate. |
You forgot...
Jim Martin
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Eddie Robbins |
| I was taught that if I didn't put it in the COG provided envelope and not mark it "tithe," that it wasn't my tithe. I was in danger. Maybe that is what this discussion is really about. |
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| You could always tell the pastor's kids in school |
roughridercog |
The teacher would ask, "What is ten percent of 562?"
The PK's would all say, "Tithes."
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| Re: Pastor's who teach the principle of the tithe |
Tracy S Hamilton |
NM.... not sure how that posted twice
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Tracy S Hamilton |
| Eddie Robbins wrote: | | I was taught that if I didn't put it in the COG provided envelope and not mark it "tithe," that it wasn't my tithe. I was in danger. Maybe that is what this discussion is really about. |
Same here..... one line down removed it from being a tithe.... anything paid to general funds was not a tithe.... lol |
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3/5/12 12:35 pm
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| Tracey said.... |
Resident Skeptic |
| Quote: | | Tithes brought into the storehouse (local church) |
There you go again. Please show one shred of evidence that the local church is the "storehouse". |
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Tracy S Hamilton |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Quote: | | Tithes brought into the storehouse (local church) |
There you go again. Please show one shred of evidence that the local church is the "storehouse". |
Study!! All of the men who I listed above believe the same thing. |
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3/5/12 3:20 pm
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| Re: Tracey said.... |
Resident Skeptic |
| Tracy S Hamilton wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Quote: | | Tithes brought into the storehouse (local church) |
There you go again. Please show one shred of evidence that the local church is the "storehouse". |
Study!! All of the men who I listed above believe the same thing. |
It matters not what any of those men say. I asked YOU, brother. We can't form our doctrine around what is popular. |
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3/5/12 3:23 pm
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| Re: Tracey said.... |
Tracy S Hamilton |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Tracy S Hamilton wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Quote: | | Tithes brought into the storehouse (local church) |
There you go again. Please show one shred of evidence that the local church is the "storehouse". |
Study!! All of the men who I listed above believe the same thing. |
It matters not what any of those men say. I asked YOU, brother. We can't form our doctrine around what is popular. |
It has nothing to do with what is popular. From a principle standpoint the storehouse is where people were fed. People today are fed whenever they go to church or should be from spiritual food. And yes, if it is need, physical food.
The principle is woven throughout scripture. The OT is a type and shadow of the NT.... I'm sure you already know that. No matter whether rich or poor, tithing is still 1 cent on every dime. It is not the amount, it is the obedience. No one should be looked down on because their tithe might be $10 a week or no one should be lifted up because their tithe might be $1000 a week.
The men that I have listed above are a little more in depth than just going by what is popular. It is the same with me. Trust me, those who know me well, know that doing the normal is something where I tend to go the other way.
Again, we just simply disagree, it doesn't make you wrong and it certainly doesn't make me wrong. But I am glad to know that I am in pretty good company with what I teach as it relates to tithing.
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mytimewillcome |
| Most on that list are either multimillionaires or close to it while their congregation struggle to pay their light bill yet still manage to give. |
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Tracy S Hamilton |
| mytimewillcome wrote: | | Most on that list are either multimillionaires or close to it while their congregation struggle to pay their light bill yet still manage to give. |
And how do you know that? How do you know who are multi-millionaires and how do you know that their congregation struggles to pay their light bill?
Nothing has ever been said about that there are not times when people go through tough times. Tough times never negate God's Word.
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| The Joy Of Obedience |
doyle |
So far, I haven't seen one Scripture that says tithing is only an Old Testament expectation; not one. I haven't seen any Scripture stating tithing is no longer viewed by God as obedience.
However, the Lord spoke strongly about tithing BUT it was to be done with wisdom and justice."
"This you ought to do."
However, I totally agree that the issue of tithing has been incredibly abused and discredited by tons of wrong emphasis and false promises. Sometimes it's not only what we do but how it's done.
Absolutely never should any minister over-promise; assuring people of particular things that will happen if they tithe. The Bible quotes God in saying He will "Pour out a blessing..." but does not say in particular what that blessing will be.
Ministers who pressure people and rant on people to force them to tithe, actually discredit the joy of obedience.
In many ways, tithing is the first life-style step of obedience for many new Christians.
If the only thing I ever received from tithing was the joy of knowing I was being obedient, that would be enough to continue tithing.
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Wow. These tithe threads will never end.
Ten % is indeed the rule God used in the past - and I think it is a fantastic rule of thumb for us today. Anything less than that - and I don't believe you are really trusting God with your finances. I believe a minister teaching the principle of giving is correct in referring back to the OT tithe principle. That minister should also teach that God loves a cheerful giver - and that if they can't be cheerful in giving 10% - then they should put it back in their pocket until they could be - just as when Christ said the one at the altar praying should stop praying until he has made things right with his brother.
Furthermore - if they have brothers that have "ought" against them - and if they can't give 10% cheerfully - they have some spiritual growing to do - again - if you are here on this earth and can't put at least 10% of your finances and your time into doing God's work - then what are you here for?
I have two problems with today's tithe teaching...
1) My problem is - teaching that God curses you today if you don't tithe. Don't believe that - but if you aren't giving at least that amount - I believe you have a spiritual problem (see above).
2) My problem is - teaching that the church is God's storehouse and the tithe must be given there to actually count as giving it to God. Actually I don't have a problem teaching that - IF - the church actually was the storehouse in the same way it was in the OT. Unfortunately, the churches I have attended tried to spiritualize the tithe and say it was now the storehouse for "spiritual " meat only - which only the pastor and staff dispensed - thus they are to be taken care of as the suppliers of said "spiritual meat". Of course, they keep some canned meat and crackers and bottles of water for the hungry and widows - if they ask for it - and the office is still open. That is what I have seen - that is what I have a problem with.
If the church is not going to be the storehouse for the 10% like the OT storehouse was - then it doesn't deserve to get the tithe imho.
Where does it say that you must give to the church to be tithing. I thought when you gave water to the least of these - you had given it to Jesus himself - that sounds like "giving it" to God imho. Where does it say that giving in Jesus name DOESN'T count as the tithe?
Again - 10% SHOULD BE GIVEN BY ALL. It is a principle that I believe IS taught in the OT and NT. We should be working toward giving almost 100% - and only keep the small portion we need to maintain ourselves for His service. I'm convinced that is what is taught in the NT - Jesus often taught giving up everything - homes, land, family members (if necessary) - and taking up your cross.
Last time I checked - jokers picking up crosses and carrying them somewhere - 100% of the time weren't going back to ANYTHING - it was all left behind.
Of course - this is simply my opinion - feel free to reject.
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| Good stuff!! |
Tracy S Hamilton |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Wow. These tithe threads will never end.
Ten % is indeed the rule God used in the past - and I think it is a fantastic rule of thumb for us today. Anything less than that - and I don't believe you are really trusting God with your finances. I believe a minister teaching the principle of giving is correct in referring back to the OT tithe principle. That minister should also teach that God loves a cheerful giver - and that if they can't be cheerful in giving 10% - then they should put it back in their pocket until they could be - just as when Christ said the one at the altar praying should stop praying until he has made things right with his brother.
Furthermore - if they have brothers that have "ought" against them - and if they can't give 10% cheerfully - they have some spiritual growing to do - again - if you are here on this earth and can't put at least 10% of your finances and your time into doing God's work - then what are you here for?
I have two problems with today's tithe teaching...
1) My problem is - teaching that God curses you today if you don't tithe. Don't believe that - but if you aren't giving at least that amount - I believe you have a spiritual problem (see above).
2) My problem is - teaching that the church is God's storehouse and the tithe must be given there to actually count as giving it to God. Actually I don't have a problem teaching that - IF - the church actually was the storehouse in the same way it was in the OT. Unfortunately, the churches I have attended tried to spiritualize the tithe and say it was now the storehouse for "spiritual " meat only - which only the pastor and staff dispensed - thus they are to be taken care of as the suppliers of said "spiritual meat". Of course, they keep some canned meat and crackers and bottles of water for the hungry and widows - if they ask for it - and the office is still open. That is what I have seen - that is what I have a problem with.
If the church is not going to be the storehouse for the 10% like the OT storehouse was - then it doesn't deserve to get the tithe imho.
Where does it say that you must give to the church to be tithing. I thought when you gave water to the least of these - you had given it to Jesus himself - that sounds like "giving it" to God imho. Where does it say that giving in Jesus name DOESN'T count as the tithe?
Again - 10% SHOULD BE GIVEN BY ALL. It is a principle that I believe IS taught in the OT and NT. We should be working toward giving almost 100% - and only keep the small portion we need to maintain ourselves for His service. I'm convinced that is what is taught in the NT - Jesus often taught giving up everything - homes, land, family members (if necessary) - and taking up your cross.
Last time I checked - jokers picking up crosses and carrying them somewhere - 100% of the time weren't going back to ANYTHING - it was all left behind.
Of course - this is simply my opinion - feel free to reject. |
Good stuff Nature.... I agree. I don't believe that God curses you if you don't tithe. I believe that we live in a cursed world... See Genesis....
God came to redeem us from a cursed world. Paul talks about not conforming to the patterns of this world. I also believe that Malachi is about as plain as it gets.... sorry to some that it is OT.... that what God was telling us is that without the tithe, we are trusting a system that by its very nature is cursed. See the Garden of Eden for reference.
I believe that I have been blessed because of the tithe and I do it joyfully. |
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3/5/12 5:04 pm
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| Re: Pastor's who teach the principle of the tithe |
bradfreeman |
| Tracy S Hamilton wrote: | Jack Hayford
Robert Morris
Brady Boyd
Stovall Weems
Joel Osteen
Craig Groeschel
Andy Stanley - the blessing of being a percentage giver (tither)
Loran Livingston
Jentezen Franklin
Ed Young Sr.
Ed Young Jr.
Charles Blake
Bob Coy
Kerry Shook
Dave Stone
T.D. Jakes
Joe Champion
Creflo Dollar
Chuck Smith
Greg Surratt
Tommy Barnett
Jimmy Evans
The list could go on and on and on...... I think all of these men are pretty sound doctrinally and all teach on tithing. Surely that can't all be wrong or maybe they just haven't read Actscelerate. |
Others who do not teach the principle of the tithe:
Paul
Peter
James
John
Barnabas
The Holy Ghost - Acts 15:28,29
The list could go on and on and on...... I think all of these are pretty sound doctrinally and none teach on NT tithing. Surely they can't all be wrong or maybe they just haven't read Actscelerate. 
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Just a note, for clarity -- the first fruit and the tithe are not one and the same. That's a misnomer. The first fruit was one of the "offerings" of the law, and was distinct from the tithe. Simply stated ...
Tithes came at the end of the counting.
First fruits was done at the beginning.
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| I know I'm a broken record... |
Clint Wills |
But one thing that nobody can argue with me about is that I have been faithful to tithe my entire adult life and God has ALWAYS taken care of every need - and even opened the flood gates for me.
Here's a testimony of why I tithe. Last May I was laid off from a job. I went the summer without work before signing on as a design contractor here in town. Now, in my second contract, in 10 months I will have made about 150% of what I have ever made in any 12 month period in my life.
I'm not saying that is because I tithe, but I'm not gonna find out how that may have gone differently if I didn't. |
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| InspiredHillbilly wrote: | So the paying of full time ministerial salaries isn't touching the lives of widows, orphans, etc? That full time youth pastor that can have great youth ministries for the project kids... or the full time pastor that can visit the shut in since he doesn't have to work a secular job isn't the tithe touching them?
And the electric bill and having insurance paid for isn't assisting in the ministry of touching lives? I totally disagree if that is your statement here. |
No, actually, it's not.
It's touching the life of the minister (and his family), and it's touching the life of that youth pastor, but it is not touching the life of the widow and orphans.
It only touches their lives when they are able to take the "real tithe" not a metaphorical tithe of intangible blessings, and use that "real tithe" to put food in their mouths and keep a roof over their head or buy medicine when they're sick. |
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| Re: Tracey said.... |
chainrattler |
| Tracy S Hamilton wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Quote: | | Tithes brought into the storehouse (local church) |
There you go again. Please show one shred of evidence that the local church is the "storehouse". |
Study!! All of the men who I listed above believe the same thing. |
And they all have a vested interest in believing that. Their income depends on it. |
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