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Post Can criticism of leadership be healthy? Onthemend
I recently came across a book called The Bishop's Blind Spot. The main character was put through a bit of a scrooge situation and changed the way he related to his staff.

I gotta say I relate. Folks in my state are not very happy with our bishop and it's a pretty open secret at this point. My question is this: If we ask sinners to turn around and change the way they live, can't we ask the same thing of our leaders when they neglect or abuse their position? Nobody seems to take their complaints directly to the person anymore.
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Post Onthemend
Dave Dorsey wrote:
Matthew 18?


That's what I'm saying. Matthew 18 isn't happening in my state.
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Post Dave Dorsey
Got you, that makes sense.

I think another challenge is that bad leadership isn't necessarily a sin. Matthew 18 is designed to facilitate the confrontation of sin in the church. Your state's situation may involve that -- I have no idea which state you're talking about (and don't want to know) -- and if so, Matthew 18 should be used for that portion.

But being bad at a job isn't necessarily a sin. In most cases it probably isn't. So does Matthew 18 give you anything there? Can the model still be used? A one on one confrontation, followed by a joint confrontation, followed by a public confrontation? Maybe it does.

I don't envy you, friend. I'm sure the situation is very tough.
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Post cogcia
If you try to confront them one on one and it don’t work you may pay a price.

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Post Cojak
One on one may be the way it should be, but in the present world it must be a group. Whether in a corporate world or in church hierarchy where men are promoted to their highest level of incompetence and cannot face it. Many years ago we had leaders who took overseers jobs and realized they were over their heads and gave it up. Some stuck it out and did a poor job ashamed to admit they were great as a pastor, but blown away in administration.
Even the group has a big down side, you may be accused of conspiracy.

I think a good thing in any state would be an official survey strictly anonymous.
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Incompetence may not be a sin, but trying to cover it up, could be hurting your brothers.
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I have no idea how performance is measured in the COG at the Administrative level, or if it even is formally measured.

In the corporate world we used a very detailed system of goal setting and mid-year and end of year appraisals. If you met or exceeded your agreed upon goals, all was good. If not, be prepared to be placed in a performance improvement plan, from which very few ever escaped.

Later, we adopted the Jack Welch “rank and yank” method that essentially removed non performers from the corporate gene pool. Ruthless, but very effective.

My point being that if there is no formal performance review system in place, poor performance is overlooked or ignored. Or even worse, poor performers are shuffled along to another state or position for someone else to deal with.

It seems to me that if there are AB’s performing in the manner described in some recent threads, there is little accountability. And that is a major flaw in the system. IMO of course.
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Post Onthemend
There isn't any accountability at all. Being in the position usually gets you
a promotion.

I heard we had an evaluation years back and the guy said "Your organization is big and healthy but one thing is gonna kill it." They asked what that was and he said "Your good ol' boy system." They thanked him for the evaluation and sent him on his way.

And here we are.
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Post Carolyn Smith
Is there some way for several pastors who have experienced this come together to report to COGHQ? (Thinking there is strength in numbers...)
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Carolyn Smith wrote:
Is there some way for several pastors who have experienced this come together to report to COGHQ? (Thinking there is strength in numbers...)


Yes, but the mode of communication we use is usually passed up by those with the most to say. We just had a review and the one most hurt said "It wouldn't make any difference." and didn't participate.
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Post sheepdogandy
Centralized government, ya gotta love it.

Cleveland will not tolerate anything or anyone what rocks the boat.

Ask Joe Chambers.
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Then they need to read that book. That'll rock a few boats. Newbie
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Post Criticism really only has weight... roughridercog
When the hearer really respects and values the opinions of the one doing the criticism.
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Then what hope does this site even have? Newbie
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Post AdamJ
Do you ever wonder if an AB just has a plan and no amount of talking will change that plan? Could the desire to get a good preference vote be so important that he removes anyone he fears will not vote for him? He knows he has unlimited power when it comes to his state. Some men knows how to use that power for political advancement, while others use it for Kingdom advancement. It is all about the true heart of the man. I’ve been around long enough to see both.
Pastors also can look at pastoring as a steppingstone or as Kingdom work. Don’t question a man that has a steppingstone mentality or he will crush you if possible.
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What exactly are the issues that you are trying to bring up? Knowing What is the problem will help know how to handle?
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Post Dow Moses
Don’t like the word criticism. As a pastor many times I have been disagreed with. That is fine as long as you talk to me face to face. Criticism is normally done behind someone’s back. Differences of opinions is not criticism. We should be big enough to handle differences appropriately.
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Post autumn trees twice dead
The Bible speaks of direct confrontation. Consider Paul and Peter: 11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong. Gal. 2

I really don't like it if any would refuse to do this for fear of reprisal. That very well may happen, but the deeper truth is that it is a lack of trust in God for our well being. Fear of man is lack of faith in God. You might get fired, but God is still God. We must do everything in full trust to God and obedience to His word and never in our fear of what man can do. Bad things can happen, but I would rather suffer them in the here and now then to disobey and not trust God. God supplies my needs and of my family.

Yes there are many ecclesiastical bullies in many positions. We might get on the receiving end of their power trips and ego. That should never stop a man from following God's word though.

Thomas Campbell was a Pastor in London at the time of Spurgeon. Leonard Ravenhill quoted him in "why revival tarries" and Keith Green wrote a song based on his quote. I believe it applies to whenever you make a stand to obey the bible .

If a man is going to preach revival, he had better pledge his head to heaven first.

If we are going to obey the bible, we better do the same.
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I was just studying Jethro's advice to Moses today in Ex. 18. Moses was quite the leader and he listened. God taught Moses by someone from the outside. It is hard to find that today. May we all be open and never be a bully to the ones we are suppose to lead and to serve.
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