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Post If someone has a job dealing blackjack in a casino... roughridercog
Should it disqualify them for membership in the Church of God?
How about being a minister/pastor in the church?

Just for point of reference, owners of movie theaters were once disqualified from being members, but not those who raised tobacco. So we do have a type of hypocrisy as a history.

So what are your opinions? Can you give Scriptual evidence that would forbid it?

Just my hard question for the week. Laughing
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I can't find anything in the Bible that outright forbids gambling.

There are ethical issues-- avarice, trying to get money from something that is not work or a gift that isn't productive and helpful to other people (but there are jobs like that, too), how gambling consumes some people who are addicted to it, etc.
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If he cheats when I am at the table, he is disqualified!

That is a joke, really. And yes we do have a history of hypocrisy. But like many things it was how it was viewed.

I have lived under a rock for so long I had NEVER heard of 'Relative Theology' until I read it here on Acts.

We have used the "Avoid the appearance of Evil" to cover many mis-beliefs. Shocked Shocked Idea
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I had a friend who used to work at a convenience store. He eventually quit because he “got tired of mainly selling booze, cigarettes and lottery tickets.” Nothing in the Bible specifically forbids selling such things, but I respected his conviction.

I would think that a conscientious Christian who listened to the Spirit and the Word would eventually see clearly the lecherous parasite on society (and especially on low-IQ people) that the entire gambling ‘industry’ is, and would want nothing to do with it.

That said, I would imagine as long as they paid tithes and said they agreed with CoG doctrine, most CoG pastors today would let a casino worker join their church.
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Post The tobacco thing was not hypocrisy... Aaron Scott
This was not only the sole LIVELIHOOD of some of farmers who had gotten saved, but it was not like they could just head off to the city and get a job. If I recall correctly, they were encouraged to find other directions.

Working a blackjack table might or might not be the only real way forward for someone in terms of livelihood. If someone is working a casino and gets saved while doing that job, I don't think we would necessarily demand that they quit instantly, since, as someone pointed out, it is not clearly against the scriptures.

On the other hand, a woman working as a prostitute would have to quit immediately, due to it being contrary to scripture.
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Post Re: The tobacco thing was not hypocrisy... roughridercog
Aaron Scott wrote:
This was not only the sole LIVELIHOOD of some of farmers who had gotten saved, but it was not like they could just head off to the city and get a job. If I recall correctly, they were encouraged to find other directions.

Working a blackjack table might or might not be the only real way forward for someone in terms of livelihood. If someone is working a casino and gets saved while doing that job, I don't think we would necessarily demand that they quit instantly, since, as someone pointed out, it is not clearly against the scriptures.

On the other hand, a woman working as a prostitute would have to quit immediately, due to it being contrary to scripture.


I understand the farm issue, believe me. The hypocrisy entered in when the owner of the movie theater was forbidden membership.
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As I recall, the CoG stance against movies was because they were “worldly amusement,” and were therefore carnal at best. I imagine the reasoning extended to theatre owners as well.

As I recall, the Puritans were opposed to the theatre as well, and said actors were by definition hypocrites and liars. Their reasoning on that point has always intrigued me. No doubt they would never allow a Christmas or Easter play or drama of any kind, either.
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Post TRUE STORY... Aaron Scott
A now-deceased member of my church was put out of the Church of God many years ago for going to a ROY ROGERS film.

He apparently got back right with the Lord at some point, and prayed through. So he got to be a member again.

(SMILE)

The truth is that some pastors were so hard that they actually drove people away. Of course, just like a judge doesn't want to be thought of as "soft on crime," neither do pastors want to be thought of as "soft on sin." So they very likely over-compensate.
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The truth is that some pastors were so hard that they actually drove people away. Of course, just like a judge doesn't want to be thought of as "soft on crime," neither do pastors want to be thought of as "soft on sin." So they very likely over-compensate.

Very good point, probably spot on in MANY cases.
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Post There is a large Jewish ... Mat
There is a large Jewish population here in the Lowcountry of South Carolina. I notice here what I have observed in other places I have lived. Jews don't seem to let their faith stand in the way of making money. A good example is popular tourist restaurant, "Hyman's Seafood." They serve shell fish, pork products, they are open on the Sabbath, they have gentile employees.

Now this is true, so don't laugh too much, I attended a meeting with other pastors at Hyman's to meet and hear a real Israeli General talk about the situation in Israel. No joke, but shell fish appetizers were served. Who knew he may have been Mossad as well, so I have a source in Israel (I asked him if the Saudis had a nuke, he did not answer of say no they don't.)

Being raised COGOP (like many in COG) I thought there were jobs I just could do - bartender, jeweler, convenience store owner, etc. I was so surprised some years ago to learn some of our church members worked at the HQs of Phil Morris, R. J. Reynolds and other tobacco/cigarette manufacturers. I had a deacon who worked for the drug company that sold "Norplant" and other birth control products and there was a minister in MI who was a delivery driver for Miller Beer. In the 1980s I was at a church where one of the members was a "character actor" and did small parts, but not always the most family friendly movies and TV shows. Lets not forget working for publishers who sell various forms of media that includes sexual, or for medical practices that preform abortions along with other medical proceeds.

Man, the list goes on. Its much easier to be a non-believer (or Jewish or Catholic) when it comes to these matters.

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Post Re: There is a large Jewish ... Cojak
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Man, the list goes on. Its much easier to be a non-believer (or Jewish or Catholic) when it comes to these matters.

Mat


Now you got me smiling! Love you dude! The smile made my day THANKS! Smile Cool
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What about card counters who play blackjack. If they have a method of winning, it's not the same thing as regular gambling. Does that make it okay?

They can win a lot of money from the casino owners and give to the church. It reminds me of that verse, the wealth of the wicked are laid up for the righteous.
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What about card counters who play blackjack. If they have a method of winning, it's not the same thing as regular gambling. Does that make it okay?

They can win a lot of money from the casino owners and give to the church. It reminds me of that verse, the wealth of the wicked are laid up for the righteous.


Does that mean I can rob bars and liquor stores? JOKE

Just send in percentages from each haul. Laughing
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Mat wrote:
Man, the list goes on. Its much easier to be a non-believer (or Jewish or Catholic) when it comes to these matters.

Mat


Serious Roman Catholics probably do not think that way about hospitals that commit abortions.
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