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Would your church allow Kenneth Copeland on the stage?

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 **4/30/19 9:10 am**

Maybe a year or two ago, I was just a little bit surprised to read about Kenneth Copeland prophesying over someone after his preacher father had passed away, up on stage. I don't know the inner workings of the COG, but I've read quotes of Kenneth Copeland's teachings, and I could hardly ever stand to listen to more than a minute or so if I was watching TV and the channel landed on him.

How many of you think your church leadership would allow him to speak in church if they had the opportunity, would allow him to speak on stage, or might try to shut him down if he showed up in a meeting and tried to prophesy?

Do any churches in the COG believe in the little gods teaching or that Jesus died spiritually?
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Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **4/30/19 9:21 am**

Not a chance. Very grateful for the elders at our church. Although I no longer attend a COG church.

My last church (a COG church) had Jesse Duplantis come speak twice, and also had Nasir Siddiki (another WOF guy) come a few times. But the last few years I was there, they seemed to be moving away from that stuff. Maybe they would have welcomed Kenneth Copeland in the past, but I don't think they would today.

Eddie Robbins

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **4/30/19 1:39 pm**

Nature Boy Florida

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **4/30/19 2:16 pm**

Where is old timer to weigh in on this when you need him?

We are due for the Copeland - Browne tongues video replay once again, aren't we?
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Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1865 **4/30/19 3:44 pm**

We try to keep wolves out of the sheepfold.

Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **4/30/19 4:01 pm**

Fun fact, I used to be a KCM Partner.

Don't let anyone ever tell you that your past mistakes have to define you. Laughing

roughridercog

Uh nope

Acts Mod Posts: 25305 **4/30/19 5:00 pm**

But he can give me an airplane
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Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **4/30/19 6:04 pm**

caseyleejones

We are partners.... my wife went to the Branson

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11798 **4/30/19 8:42 pm**

Campaign a few weeks ago. She was thoroughly blessed by it. I had to work but I did watch some of it. I guess Iâ€™m in the minority here....maybe the only one.

caseyleejones

Admittedly, I also struggle with...

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11798 **4/30/19 9:19 pm**

One man who gets voted in by a group of people who they call pastor. I struggle with that group of people paying a higher organization to use the name...and...suggesting people follow an OT law of giving 10% to pay staff...and...going to a building once a week for 2 hours where most people donâ€™t know each other...and...going to a place where most people have no opportunity to use their talents..unless itâ€™s door greeting or is ushering....and finally...I struggle with the concept of what people see as church is more like the OT temple than what I see in Acts...

We all have issues with other people or things...

Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **5/1/19 5:44 am**

Casey, what is it that you and your wife see in KCM?

caseyleejones

The same thing I see in Andy Stanley, Steve Furtick,

caseyleejones · Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11798 **5/1/19 8:00 am**

Rick Godwin, Casey Treat, Franklin Graham, a local COG minister who podcasts, Tom Sterbens......and a few others....The Good News is so vast and so big, no two ...5 or 10 ministers has a full grasp of it.

I do not agree with everything that KC says, but I can say the same pretty much about every one of the above(except for Tom Wink

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My wife and I still hold to the truths we were taught growing up...the Full Gospel. To me, balance is going extreme gifts while going the same distance with extreme fruit. Focused just on fruit or gifts is out of balance.

My wife was diagnosed with breast cancer a while back. She almost had a breakdown during it and needed to do something. She got in the Word, she read books, watched some of KCM telecasts. She was sick, she didn't need a feel good message telling her this was God's will and that she should be a good soldier. She turned her thinking around and in the midst of chemo told me that the Lord said to walk away. I was apprehensive and the doctors were furious. Today she is cancer free and doing so well that doctors don't want to see her for 1 year...as opposed to 3 times a month.

My wife DVR's KCM with other ministers and we watched KC last night. He talked about....

...or he scolded people for loving things
....God blesses you to bless others
---KC is a pilot and talked about the tower sees all while a pilot sees little....in essence...trust God when things don't look right
---KC talked about how you will have difficulties and problems in this life but never give up trusting God..
---He is open at this point about Gloria going through an issue and that she is standing on the Word...he was transparent about that

Last night was very solid and biblical. It wasn't about money other than don't lust for it.

I don't agree with everything he says, but again, I have said that about every minister and pastor I have sat under. If you look at my previous post, sure, you can find something about KC or any minister for that matter. But the same system that condemns him has created a heirarchy much like the catholic church. People have to give a % of income, only a select few can be in the pulpit area, COG ministers admit they attempt to beat headquarters by how they tell people to mark their tithe envelope...yes, that was here....etc....again...definitely different from the book of Acts....to which I have sat under that system and would do so again. Sure, you can pull something off youtube that happened years ago and attempt to make that the norm. I thank God I am not hi profile for youtube for people to critic my stupidity years ago.

Sorry to ramble, but I felt a one sentence answer would not do it justice.

Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **5/1/19 8:04 am**

I appreciate the detailed response. Last night I watched an amazing documentary called "American Gospel: Christ Alone". I would highly recommend it, though I'm sure you won't agree with every point (and I'm not sure I did either). It's not streaming anywhere, but it's $4.99 to rent it on Amazon or YouTube and it's well worth it IMO.

caseyleejones

Dave sorry, I was rushed on the last idea and hopefully it makes sense.

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11798 **5/1/19 9:21 am**

Let me expound further. As mentioned, I do not fully agree with what some call the "wealth gospel", but I am not sure that is really a problem in this country and the church. There are times I see that as a deflection to a bigger issue.

How much of today's tithe is specifically for a building and salaries as opposed to people? Churches sell peanut brittle or have a dumpling dinner for the public to buy a new copying machine. Preachers thunder the virtues of tithing. Is it really for my benefit or to keep the place of employment open for the staff? People go for 2 hours a week and really don't know anyone when they leave. The front pulpit is supposed to be "protected" from wolves. Or at the very least, protected from people who have not gone to bible college for 2 years. People are herded in like cattle to listen to a small percentage sing to us and one man tell us what the bible is all about and his interpretation. I was in a church not too long ago where I would say over half were not using their gifts or talents. However, there is always room for you to usher, greet, or do sunday school. Right? And we tell those people...they should be willing to do the small things...and that those small things are "great" in God's eyes. I already mentioned the heirarchy earlier where some churches attempt to out hustle the main organization. Again, I ask, is this better than some of the extremes of the prosperity message? I can choose not to give to those TV ministries. However, you really don't have a choice on the local level especially when you are told not to forsake the assembling of yourselves. Sure, find another church...but the concept is still the same. I like Ed Young Jr. But I saw a CNN documentary on him. Pretty extravagant and very very scripted. Again, if that works for you...

I do hand it to churches that focus on small groups. If you are meeting 2-3 times a week and having church, that might be a problem. Once again, I do hand it to churches who attempt to build community and relational living. How many churches do that. If the above works for you, super! My wife was on staff at such a church and was head of small groups which did thrive and I was chair of the board. So, again, if it works for you fine.

Currently, we attend a home/house church. We have worship. We have prayer and Word. People are transparent. If someone feels to bring the message the next week, we let them. People don't tithe to the house but are encouraged to keep their giving at the same level or more. Right now, I would estimate $2K of tithes are represented there. All 100% goes to the local food pantry, foreign missions, domestic missions. We are not where we should be as a group but growing, encouraging, and encouraging each one to use their gifts. I am sure some would disagree with this concept. I'm cool with that.

Please don't think I am angsty, I am content. My thing is this...yes, some of the prosperity message is out of whack.....but there is a whole host of things out of whack in the American church that is not addressed and you will never find in the bible. If organized church works for people....go for it. Very Happy

Nature Boy Florida

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **5/1/19 9:22 am**

Dave Dorsey

Re: Dave sorry, I was rushed on the last idea and hopefully it makes sense.

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **5/1/19 9:31 am**

Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **5/1/19 9:40 am**

caseyleejones

Dave, it's a ministry where I can choose to give or take....

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11798 **5/1/19 9:51 am**

I enjoy the teaching. As mentioned, I don't agree with everything. I will admit it is my wife that gives, not me.

But I am addressing the local church to which believers should be a part of. The above is still a choice, the latter is not.

But I could ask you the same thing, how can you take issue with a TV ministry when the local church is employing tactics that are not biblical? I am throwing the counter argument where churches diss TV preachers, but some of their hands are dirty. By the way...no attitude here bro. Very Happy

Dave Dorsey

Re: Dave, it's a ministry where I can choose to give or take....

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **5/1/19 9:59 am**

caseyleejones

Re: Dave, it's a ministry where I can choose to give or take....

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11798 **5/1/19 10:45 am**