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MI6 |
Alabama COG Pastors are very upset And this is why. Over the last 8 years the top churches in the state have been filled with out of state men, and 2 of those churches have been filled twice with an out of state pastor. A scandal at a south Alabama church was covered up and an out of state pastor was brought in to replace the disgraced former pastor.
In return, not 1 pastor from Alabama has been offered a church in the various states where the out of state pastors came from.
It is being said that many pastors will boycott camp meeting this year but it is to early to see if this will hold true.
One thing appears to be certain and that is many pastors are expressing that they feel hurt and neglected. |
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4/3/17 11:38 pm
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It ain't too smart of a young pastor to Boycott anything that the state backs. Just saying. Some things are facts.
Most times boycotts are in voice only, not in actual practice. It is accordint to how strong or solid one's pastorate is. 
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| Re: Alabama COG Pastors are very upset |
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| MI6 wrote: | Alabama COG Pastors are very upset And this is why. Over the last 8 years the top churches in the state have been filled with out of state men, and 2 of those churches have been filled twice with an out of state pastor. A scandal at a south Alabama church was covered up and an out of state pastor was brought in to replace the disgraced former pastor.
In return, not 1 pastor from Alabama has been offered a church in the various states where the out of state pastors came from.
It is being said that many pastors will boycott camp meeting this year but it is to early to see if this will hold true.
One thing appears to be certain and that is many pastors are expressing that they feel hurt and neglected. |
Didn't a church in a church in Griffin, Ga get a pastor from Alabama? I may be mistaken.
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MI6 |
| The man that went to Griffin, GA was an evangelist that was in the "buddy club"... and other MORE Qualified men were passed over. + - |
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4/4/17 7:35 am
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| Seriously? Re: Griffin, Ga |
spartanfan |
| MI6 wrote: | | The man that went to Griffin, GA was an evangelist that was in the "buddy club"... and other MORE Qualified men were passed over. + - |
You can't just voice your hurt over not being considered without striking out at a brother? Come on, you're bigger than that, aren't you. That's unChristlike. |
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4/4/17 7:48 am
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| Am I wrong... |
Bowtat |
| that this is in every region? Am I wrong that the term "in-state guy" is code for "locally known guy?" |
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4/4/17 9:02 am
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| Bitter party of 1 your table is now available |
Judah4Him |
It's a new day in the COG... for some time state lines have not mattered nearly as much.
ALSO, In most large churches, Overseers are now at the mercy of the governing body in that local church, and most have strong preferences as to who they want their Pastor to be.
I know for a fact Pathway asked for Travis, Oak Park asked for David, and Loxley asked for Brian.
Didn't Mark Leonhardt (Alabama) leave Cathedral of Praise in Gadsden, AL and go to the #2 church in SC? Don't you think the 10+ "in-state" guys who interviewed expected one of them to get it?? But, when a Church council makes its mind up, there's very little an Overseer can do.
It's a new season.....it's a new day. |
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Da Sheik |
This mindset is very worldly. Reminds me of my days working a secular job. Who among us hasn't felt passed over at some point? But you have a choice to become bitter or to become better. I remember at one particular job, it seemed that the company would always hire from outside when a management position became vacated. Seemed to kill the morale of some because they were not promoted from within. But I always wondered if it was not their negative attitude that held them back instead of being passed over.
As one who has made moves across state lines, I can tell you it is no easy decision. It is a major shift to uproot from the familiar and away from family and friends. Especially if you have children still living at home. The more preoccupied we are with what God is doing in other ministers' lives, the more discontent we will be with our own situations. |
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| Re: Bitter party of 1 your table is now available |
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| Judah4Him wrote: | | It's a new season... |
Every time I hear this phrase I cringe. Seems evertime I hear it anymore some moral mooring has been tampered with, somebody has had an affair, somebody has left a spouse and spotted a new one, etc. |
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4/4/17 11:33 am
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Cojak |
| Da Sheik wrote: | This mindset is very worldly. Reminds me of my days working a secular job. Who among us hasn't felt passed over at some point? But you have a choice to become bitter or to become better. I remember at one particular job, it seemed that the company would always hire from outside when a management position became vacated. Seemed to kill the morale of some because they were not promoted from within. But I always wondered if it was not their negative attitude that held them back instead of being passed over.
As one who has made moves across state lines, I can tell you it is no easy decision. It is a major shift to uproot from the familiar and away from family and friends. Especially if you have children still living at home. The more preoccupied we are with what God is doing in other ministers' lives, the more discontent we will be with our own situations. |
Bold above my emphasis. But the comment is one of the best and worth taking time to consider.
M16 may not be one passed over, but he also knows there is ALWAYS preferential treatment, as the commenter says, it is in secular jobs also. that includes the military and religious worlds. Many times 'it just appears to be preferential'.
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Brandon Bowers |
Get over it..
God's will is not subject to the lines on a map, drawn up by mapmakers or COG officials.
When God begins to subject his will and his calling to your whims, or the whims of State Overseers, please let me know.. I'll be waiting.
If more pastors would stay where rooted where they are and stop trying to get "promoted" to larger churches, this wouldn't be an issue. Stay where God puts you and allow Him to build the church... You plant the seeds in your community and let God deal with the rest.   
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Cojak |
| Brandon Bowers wrote: | Get over it..
God's will is not subject to the lines on a map, drawn up by mapmakers or COG officials.
When God begins to subject his will and his calling to your whims, or the whims of State Overseers, please let me know.. I'll be waiting.
If more pastors would stay where rooted where they are and stop trying to get "promoted" to larger churches, this wouldn't be an issue. Stay where God puts you and allow Him to build the church... You plant the seeds in your community and let God deal with the rest. |
Hey BB, good to see you. A little harsh, but a good comment! 
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| Brandon Bowers wrote: | | If more pastors would stay where rooted where they are and stop trying to get "promoted" to larger churches, this wouldn't be an issue. Stay where God puts you and allow Him to build the church... You plant the seeds in your community and let God deal with the rest. |
Yes. A thousand times yes.
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| Of the 4 churches we pastored in the COG, we never moved unless God spoke and confirmed it. 2 were across the state lines. One time my husband got so upset with our church. He packed his study books and office equipment and waited for direction, God didn't speak and he eventually unpacked all his stuff and we stayed there a total of about 8 years. One Sunday I was at work and God spoke to me that we were leaving this church and moving to _____ state. I made up my mind that I would not tell my husband because he was the head of our home and if God couldn't tell him, then who was I to tell him. I walked in the door and he said, come in here and let me tell you what God said this morning during preaching and I said, first let me tell you what God spoke to me. We really had not thought about leaving as the church and parsonage was paid for and I had a good supervisory job and probably the first time in all our pastoring we were getting a steady paycheck from the church - usually we got parcial checks if any thing. We went to this ____ state which was very hard to get into BUT God had spoken. That church was a financial mess - 3 mortgages, EVERYTHING behind - light bill, water bill - you name it. There was a $400 light bill and a demand for a $425 deposit. My husband called the electric company and explained that he was the new pastor and could we pay the bill and pay a $100 a month until the deposit was paid, she said No sir, it has been behind so much that if the current bill and deposit is not paid by about a weeks time, the electric would be cut off. No mercy whatsoever BUT God came through. But if it is God's will, it is God's bill. Somehow, God brought us through it. We stayed there many years. Just thought I would share my thoughts going down memory lane. |
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| Brandon Bowers wrote: |
If more pastors would stay where rooted where they are and stop trying to get "promoted" to larger churches, this wouldn't be an issue. Stay where God puts you and allow Him to build the church... You plant the seeds in your community and let God deal with the rest. |
I think that's easier said than done sometimes Brandon. I hear what you're saying, I really do, however, just because some pastors need to move doesn't mean they're not committed to where they're currently at. They are pastors and they are human. It is frustrating when you're in the position of some of those pastors and you feel as if you've been looked over, and for many of them they've been responded to with the same demeanor as your comment to the subject.
BTW - With that type of demeanor, you'd make a great overseer.  |
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You guys know NBF doesn't like to be harsh...but you Alabama guys - maybe it's time to look in the mirror. Maybe you are the problem.
You are so bad - your new overseer took another job just to get away from you.
How bad are you if that happens?
Tighten up guys.
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With all respect due to the original post and poster... where is it written or even hinted at that the AB in consult with any local church is limited to the pool of disgruntled-in-their-present-church, or ambitious, ready and deserving of a promotion, ministers in their state?
Yes the ministers in a state are under the authority of their AB, but no rule any place restricts that AB to choosing one of them. It is not that way now and has never been that way.
Never forget who you work for. It is not your local congregation, you serve them but they are not your boss. It is not the District or State overseer. It is not Cleveland. You want to rule over many things? Be faithful over a few, and HE will exalt you. Work for him. |
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Carolyn Smith |
| Bro Bob wrote: | With all respect due to the original post and poster... where is it written or even hinted at that the AB in consult with any local church is limited to the pool of disgruntled-in-their-present-church, or ambitious, ready and deserving of a promotion, ministers in their state?
Yes the ministers in a state are under the authority of their AB, but no rule any place restricts that AB to choosing one of them. It is not that way now and has never been that way.
Never forget who you work for. It is not your local congregation, you serve them but they are not your boss. It is not the District or State overseer. It is not Cleveland. You want to rule over many things? Be faithful over a few, and HE will exalt you. Work for him. |
Outstanding post, Bro Bob!
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Kyle Morrow |
I don't know how MI6 is but he could not be more wrong. The guys who have moved to Alabama have been welcomed. The state loves our new overseer, our youth director, and administrative liason.
I don't know what preachers in Alabama this guy has talked to, but I have not heard any of this garbage. Also, those churches were filled by October of 2016, except for Loxley, which was filled in early January. So if there was news, it would be old news.
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