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Aaron Scott

Here's the deal...

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **7/8/16 4:55 pm**

We DO have a problem with bad guys with guns. We know that the good guys (those of you here) are going to do the right thing...but the problem is that your right to purchase high-capacity guns/assault rifles also enables the BAD GUYS to do so.

I don't think anyone here would think that it was OK for everyone to have a nuke. No, the good guys wouldn't be a danger...but if the bad guys got their hands on one....

Yes, the police NEED such guns. Because they might be trying to arrest an entire gang, or what have you. That is, they are often under COMBAT situations. In almost no instance do homeowners face true combat situations (and by that, I mean where the bad guys are standing their ground, have combat-level weapons, etc.). Most of the time, bad guys are going to run when they hear your 12-gauge being pumped to chamber the round.

As someone snarkily asked, "Is there anything else I don't need." Well, yes...the attitude for one. I'm not trying to make your life miserable. I'm trying to find a way to keep the worst weapons from the hands of the worst people. And the only practical way to do that is to, for one, stop selling them.

The 2nd Amendment, speaking of a well-regulated militia, is speaking of self-preservation. Collectors can't claim that outright. Hunters, to some extent can. Protecting our families/property/homes is self-preservation at it's most essential. But for those things, we do not need such weapons.

Consider this: IF IF IF we really think we have to protect ourselves from the government with our weapons, then we better do a WHOLE LOT BETTER than an assault rifle. Because if the government decides to take you down, they are going to have a lot more men than you, better weapons than you, tanks, jets, and bombs, if necessary. Do you think we ought to get to have those things too, since the guvm't might attack us at any moment?

No! No one on this board has made a cogent argument for the maintaining of such weapons. Arms can include up to nukes, right (e.g., nuclear ARMS). Does that mean the 2nd Amendment allows that? OF COURSE NOT! DON'T BE A DOOFENSCHMIRTSCH! Seriously, folks...a good pistol or three...a good shotgun...a good rifle...that's all you really need to keep your family safe under most circumstances. Circumstances beyond that would almost likely not be changed just because you had an assault rifle.

UncleJD

Re: Here's the deal...

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3147 **7/8/16 7:58 pm**

diakoneo

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **7/8/16 8:07 pm**

In the wars we have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan we understood we could never really win without a ground assault.

House to house is the way ultimately a government would win a war against it's citizenry. A well armed citizen is an impedance against a dictatorial style government. Period.

Nuclear bombs have no place in the discussion.

c6thplayer1

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **7/8/16 9:25 pm**

Old Time Country Preacher

Re: Here's the deal...

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **7/8/16 9:41 pm**

AnOnYmOuS4ArEaSoN

Friendly Face Posts: 202 **7/8/16 10:22 pm**

First....What is an assault weapon?

Second...What weapon(outside of military issued) is "automatic?"

Third....What gives you the right to tell me what "I need?"

Fourth....My 2A didn't guarantee my right in case a deer came after me.

Fifth....If you think this Dallas shooting is about guns....then you're an idiot/liberal.

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Re: Is it time to limit assault weapons?

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 **7/8/16 11:47 pm**

Nuclear bombs are arms. Do we each have an individual right to bear nuclear bombs? If the government can limit nuclear bombs, can it limit assault rifles?

When the constitution was written, firearms were custom-made one-shot front load muskets. How about if the government decided to restrict all fire-arms except the kind in use when the constitution was written, custom made, one-shot, front load muskets.

I recall learning in history class, that in addition to the cotton gin, Eli Whitney invented replaceable parts, firearms created off a mold that allowed for one part of a gun to be replaced by a manufactured part. This probably had a much broader global impact for manufacturing than the cotton gin. Before Eli Whitney, individual weapons were custom made.

I'm not a real ideologue on either side of the issue. I shot (someone else's) assult rifle at a shooting range several weeks ago.

I don't see how getting rid of most firearms would immediately solve the problem. If they passed a law to outlaw modern firearms, maybe after 120 years or so after the firearms rusted away, we could have a society without these weapons, except for law enforcement and those who buy smuggled in weapons.

If they want to get rid of these weapons, they need to do it legally. The second ammendment needs to be repealed first, or else they could consistently use a historical approach to interpreting law. They could use that to get rid of anything later than a front-load musket, but they would need to do away with gay marriage and some of the rights of the federal government if they want to do that.

If they wanted to get rid of these weapons, they had to have year-round dear hunting for a year or two, or the farmers will suffer. Either that, or they need to allow people to set traps for deer.
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Cojak

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No one 'Needs' the automatic weapon (as yet) but it is hard to legislate a mental level. No one knows the mind of the twisted. As was mentioned, the fool in OK City did not use a weapon, but did irreparable damage.

We do like to try to 'pick' the weapon the terrorist is going to use, but that is impossible.

As a sniper, the Cheap Russian lever action 7.62 from the right angle could take out as many as an 'assault rifle'.

I have no idea the best way to go, but killing? there are so many ways a terrorist can accomplish the dastardly deed.
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Aaron Scott

Re: Here's the deal...

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **7/9/16 9:50 am**

skinnybishop

Re: Here's the deal...

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1055 **7/9/16 11:35 am**

klane60

RE: Assault Weapons Ban

Friendly Face Posts: 143 **7/12/16 9:23 am**

Please stop calling civilian purchased rifles assault weapons. An AR-15 is not an assault weapon. The M-16 I carried in the Marines and into combat was an assault weapon. An AR-15 is semi-automatic just like any .22 semi-automatic rifle that I had growing up. A sniper does not use superior firepower but calculated well aimed shots (I was a Marine Sniper) and I did not use a M-16 but a rebuilt Remington 700. I am a AR-15 carrying 2d Amendment supporter and I use mine in Excellence-in-Competition and NRA matches and home protection. Strict gun laws in Chicago and DC hasn't stopped a thing and almost all of the murders there are the result of handguns.

An AR-15 IS NOT AN ASSAULT WEAPON PEOPLE. Assault weapons are fully automatic. Learn the difference.
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bonnie knox

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **7/12/16 9:33 am**

Some jurisdictions that are banning "assault" weapons may be including the AR-15 on their list.
I think I might have read something about California including it on their list--I'll have to double check.
So, while the AR-15 is not a fully automatic, the definition of "assault" might be more fluid.

klane60

AR-15

Friendly Face Posts: 143 **7/12/16 9:43 am**

(I am not the author)

The AR-15 rifle is once again under fire by gun banners—who ignore the fact that rifles of any kind are seldom used in crime, and seem to despise anyone who dares to own one. Many who are ignorant on firearms even consider the gun a “weapon of war,” suitable for nothing but murder and mayhem.

That couldn’t be further from the truth. Fact is, the AR-15-type rifle is the most popular rifle in America for many reasons. Here are my Top 10 reasons to own an AR-15, in no particular order:

Self-Defense

Gun-banners would have you believe the AR-15 isn’t useful for home defense, but they couldn’t be more wrong. NRA commentator and former Navy SEAL Dom Raso, who now trains individuals in self-defense, said it best: “For the vast majority of the people I work with, there is no better firearm to defend their homes against realistic threats than an AR-15 semi-automatic. It’s easy to learn and easy to use. It’s accurate. It’s reliable.”

Fun/Recreation

If you can find a rifle out there that’s more fun than the AR-15 to take to the range and punch some holes in paper, I’m not sure what it would be. From short-range plinking to longer-range precision shooting, the gun is easy to shoot—and easy to hit targets with. And, as you know, nothing’s more fun than hitting what you shoot at.

Teaching/Learning

With simple operation and very low recoil, there’s no better rifle to teach youngsters the skill of accurate rifle shooting. The fact that shooting this rifle is easy and tons of fun also makes it great for starting out new shooters, regardless of age. I’ve yet to take a beginner—young or old—out to shoot an AR-15 without them getting a huge smile on their face after the first magazine.

Hunting

The AR-15 and its big brother, the AR-10, are excellent hunting rifles. AR-15s in 5.56/.223 are perfect for varmints and predator hunting, and with the proper ammunition can make a great deer rifle. Of course, the AR-15 is also chambered in a number of other more powerful cartridges for big game, and the .308-chambered AR-10 is a deer hunting favorite for many. Don’t buy the gun-banner lie that the AR-15 can’t be a good hunting rifle.

Tinkering

If you like to tinker, the AR-15 is the rifle for you. Aftermarket parts and upgrades are readily available from hundreds of sources, and the gun’s easily understandable operation system makes it simple to work on. If you can’t build one of these rifles on your kitchen table with just a few specialized tools (legally, of course), you probably skipped shop class in high school. Installing new stocks, triggers, hand guards, pistol grips and other parts is also a breeze.

Farm/Ranch Use

The AR-15 is an excellent all-around rifle for farmers and ranchers to carry in their trucks for predator control or other utilitarian uses. Excellent accuracy combined with good magazine capacity is enough to put the hurt on a pack of coyotes preying on calves or lambs—or on wild hogs tearing up your alfalfa or wheat field. An AR-15 is also handy for farmers and ranchers to have on hand in remote areas should they run into those who would do ill to them.Fact is, the AR-15-type rifle is the most popular rifle in America for many reasons.

Competitive Shooting

The AR-15 platform is excellent for a variety of competitive shooting sports. As a 3-gun competitor, I see hundreds of people shoot AR-15s safely and accurately on a regular basis. Banning ownership of AR-15-type rifles for law-abiding Americans would be devastating to 3-gun—the fastest growing shooting sport in the country right now.

Disaster Preparedness

I’m not someone who believes in an impending doomsday scenario where we will all find ourselves in a critical survival situation sometime soon. But I’m also not one who thinks that couldn’t happen. I don’t see how any survival situation wouldn’t be made better by having an AR-15 or two on hand. In fact, the AR-15 might just be the perfect SHTF firearm.

Bringing Women Into Shooting

Women are currently the fastest-growing demographic in the shooting sports, and the AR-15 is doubtless one of the reasons why. Women love the “cool factor” of the AR just as much as men do. And those with zero shooting experience—who might harbor some fear of rifle shooting because of a rifle’s perceived “kick”—quickly learn that the soft-recoiling AR-15 is not only a pleasure to shoot, but fun to customize just the way they want it.

America’s Rifle

While those who hate guns would have you think the AR-15 is nothing more than a murder machine, in truth it’s the musket of our day—everyman’s rifle, proudly owned by patriotic men and women of all ages, colors and interests. As Dom Raso said in his recent video: “I guarantee you, if the Founding Fathers would have known this gun was going to be invented, they wouldn’t have rewritten the Second Amendment, they would have fortified it in stone. Because they knew the only way for us to stay free is by having whatever guns the bad guys have. This firearm gives average people the advantage they so desperately need and deserve to protect their life, liberty and happiness.”

Regardless of why we, as Americans, choose to own AR-15 rifles, we will always face the scoffers—Second Amendment deniers who would be happy to take away our right to own any gun. In the end, we don’t need to puzzle for answers to anyone who rudely asks us, “Why do you need an AR-15?” Instead, we should simply ask our own question: “Why should the government be able to deny us the constitutionally protected right to own one?”
Owning an AR-15 is as uniquely American as baseball, apple pie and the Second Amendment. It’s a classic example of American exceptionalism, independence and ingenuity—all the things that make us the land of the free and home of the brave.
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4thgeneration

The problem...

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1607 **7/12/16 2:04 pm**

Gen 4:5 (CEV) but not with Cain and his offering. This made Cain so angry that he could not hide his feelings.
Gen 4:6 The LORD said to Cain: What's wrong with you? Why do you have such an angry look on your face?
Gen 4:7 If you had done the right thing, you would be smiling. But you did the wrong thing, and now sin is waiting to attack you like a lion. Sin wants to destroy you, but don't let it!
Gen 4:8 Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let's go for a walk." And when they were out in a field, Cain killed him.

No gun involved in the first murder among the human race. Anger uncontrolled will find a way to destroy. It always has and it always will. That is the real problem.

Show me a law that prevents a criminal from committing their crime. Drug laws haven't even slowed the production, distribution and use of drugs in America. Drunk driving laws don't keep us from hearing about people DUI causing accidents that often take lives. And a lot of us are even bothered by those who actually drive at or under the speed limit.

I don't own an AR-15, nor do I plan to purchase one. I do know that most of the rhetoric flows in the arena of misidentification of those kinds of firearms as being automatic and assault rifles. Any rifle that you use to assault others with becomes an assault rifle. And it is already completely illegal to own an automatic rifle. One trigger pull resulting in one bullet fired is a semi-automatic rifle of which there are a myriad of versions in all kinds of calibers built on all kinds of stocks. Just because one model looks military doesn't make it automatic or an assault rifle.

Prove to me how making it more difficult for me to purchase firearms and ammunition will result in criminals ceasing to use those to invoke violence, and I will consider your argument. Because we all know how concerned criminals are with following the law.

Just my O!

ZKP

Member Posts: 34 **7/13/16 6:08 am**

I don't own one, but they are fun to fire on the range. Responsible citizens should be allowed to own an AR-15. However, as with anything else, with ownership comes the responsibility to ensure they are properly secured when not in use. The bad guys are going to be able to get the gun, so to ban a law abiding person from ownership accomplishes nothing. The Dallas sniper purchased an AR-15 from a guy he met on Facebook for $600. All the laws banning or requiring background checks (even at gun shows) and 14 day waiting period would have precluded the purchase of this type of rifle.

Banning the guns and more laws will only restrict the responsible and law abiding gun owners. In most cases, such restrictions will result with zero impact on deterring the bad guys from accessing these type of guns.