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Friendly Face Posts: 371 **7/7/16 5:40 pm**

So, in essence, he is now disqualified because of who his daddy is? We all have had someone, at some point be a door-opener. Networking is a fact of life, even in church governance. However, if someone is not qualified and does not do the work, it will be evident very quickly. That is not the case here so if you are just trying to make a point about the operation of our denomination , you have chosen a poor example.

And there are plenty of men in positions of leadership in our movement that did not have a daddy open a door for him so I'm confused over this whole diatribe. Seems that someone has an issue with the father and is taking it out on the son.
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Nature Boy Florida

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **7/7/16 6:02 pm**

aprilmay2.0

I'm sorry. Please delete

Friendly Face Posts: 165 **7/7/16 6:46 pm**

I miss communicated this thread. I mistakenly used names for situations I shouldn't have. Please understand what my intentions were. I think NBF said it best.

There's no jealousy. I think Matt will do fine and will continue to move up the ranks on his own merit. I didn't call anyone a loser. I think highly of all the names I mentioned.

I was attempting to draw attention to the idea that some paths are easier than others and sometimes people get positions not as a result of Just leadership hearing Gods voice but sometimes Gods will gets a little family assistance. And that's not a bad thing. Love you all.

wayne

My Brother Matthew Propes

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1274 **7/8/16 7:50 am**

I personally love Matthew Propes and hate to see him go. I know he has a name of recognition and so far he has been open to answering any questions regarding his name but, I have seen him work and believe me, he does work. If his name is getting him positions, it's his work and love for the state and church of God that makes all the people like him and want to keep him.

Personally, I am tired of Kentucky being the launch pad for all these great leaders. I have grown to love my leaders and I truly hate to see any of them go. David Gosnell, Bill Isaacs, Brian Yaun, Keith Ivester, J David Stephens, Bruce Rabon(who ever heard of this guy before KY Laughing

) Matthew Propes....... the list could go on and on.

I think the KY pastors, state council and youth board should stop being so awesome and start making these guys look bad especially right before GA, that way they look bad for a short period of time and then nobody else will want them. Laughing

This is all in fun, I love these guys.

Maybe, we could hold them hostage and not let them go to GA or Ga? Shocked

Nature Boy Florida

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **7/8/16 10:46 am**

Or maybe we should make everyone get their training in Kentucky?
Seems to work.
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Heading out

Friendly Face Posts: 165 **7/8/16 12:30 pm**

I woke up this morning with a heavy heart. I hate being misreceived. I should be a better communicator and that would avoid causing such a firestorm.

So... I'm heading out on vacation tomorrow. The sandy beaches of New Smyrna are calling my name. I'm going to take some time and reflect on how I can be a better member of this board and a better steward of my words.

I'll also be praying for North Cleveland and their potential new pastor. They are a lead church in this movement and the upcoming vote is significant for all of us.

Blessings to all.

Ed Brewer

Good men and nepotism

Ed Brewer · Friendly Face Posts: 312 **7/9/16 11:17 am**

I feel your pain about being misinterpreted on social media. These things (Facebook, Twitter, Actscelerate, et al) can be described as the worlds largest refrigerator festooned with notes and every little kid has a crayon and an unlimited supply of sticky pads. That being said, have you ever considered just how much nepotism was the norm in the scripture. Consider this:

1. Jesus named at least 4 cousins among his disciples (James, John, Matthew, and James the less) (3 of whom are listed as apostles),
2. His brother (James) was the pastor in Jerusalem who was subsequently succeeded in that job as pastor by Jesus cousin (Simeon)
3. Three of the women at the tomb were Jesus mother and her two sisters (Mary, the other Mary, and Salome).
4. John the Baptist was Jesus' cousin
5. Barnabas was a fellow student of Saul in the school of Gamaliel, the man that brought Paul legitimacy among the brother in Jerusalem, and the uncle (maybe cousin) of Mark, later assistant to Peter and author of the earliest of the Gospels
6. ...and on the subject of Mark, he was the son of Mary who owned the house to which the disciples fled and dwelt, prayed for Peter in his prison, and whom Rhoda served
7. Some go so far as to suggest that Barnabas was the brother-in-law of Peter

The list goes on and on.... nepotism wasn't the exception, it was the norm in the early church. Was it a trust issue? Who else are you going to trust more than those closest to you?

If I may, the entire premise of this post seems to be a presupposition of fair treatment. The demand for fairness has been routinely used to substitute opportunity for anointing and to conflate God's will with man's demands for equal treatment (which is a wholely carnal invention). I know this young man well, and can affirm with so many others that all he has done is what Christ commanded in Matthew 12 - he simply grabbed a cup and started serving.
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If a leader's family ...

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1994 **7/9/16 1:13 pm**

If a leader's family does not follow them in being part of the church, or denomination, what does that say about the leader?

What about top denominational leaders whose children choose to minister in a different denomination?

So which is worse/better, to have a dad in top leadership and you follow in his footsteps, or to have a dad in top leadership and you reject the denomination he leads?

Mat

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Friendly Face Posts: 371 **7/10/16 9:11 am**

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cogalltheway

Friendly Face Posts: 126 **7/10/16 9:52 pm**

Didn't know my original question would blow up like this. I was just asking a question. So he is Propes' son. Thanks for the info. No thanks for the other stuff.

Nature Boy Florida

Re: Wow

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **7/11/16 8:40 am**

roughridercog

Re: Wow

Acts Mod Posts: 25305 **7/11/16 12:07 pm**

ZKP

Member Posts: 34 **7/12/16 6:23 am**

Congratulations to Matt and SoGA.