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c6thplayer1 |
| Dean Steenburgh wrote: |
Let's use your brain wave of an idea C6th:
Lets assume the vote tally is below
1. Trump 50 votes ........... Hillary 60 votes
Say You & 10 of your bible study group or co-workers vote for Trump the tally Changes;
1. Trump 61 votes ........... Hillary 60 votes
(In this scenario TRUMP wins)
Say I dont vote for either then tally remains the same ;
1. Trump 50 votes ........... Hillary 60 votes
In this scenario Hilary wins!
Do you get it now? |
Of course he would win. thats what receiving the most votes does for the candidate.
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If he only gets one vote it may not make a difference but if he gets a whole bunch of you who are saying, "I'll never vote for Trump" then he stands a chance. |
Why dont one vote for hillary? Without a long list of disparaging attributes one could just say that she is a slug and not worthy of being our leader. And the same could be said about trump.
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My towel is in the ring & HRC arm is half way up being raised as victor.
Why? Because when the FBI can't even recommend a conviction to a special prosecutor for a trial to determine why she worked for weeks to cover up & destroy evidence, something is going on behind closed doors & some very powerful people are determining the political flow.
Trump is seen as a fly in the ointment, I don't think they ever saw him coming.
Comer couldn't do it while under pressure & she had that stupid smug look on her face weeks ago gloating that she was innocent & that the FBI wouldn't find anything.
Any time the FBI can't find a shred of evidence to convict you can trust me when I say the fix is in.
I can't tell you who, how, why or any details other than to tell you I knew weeks ago that she wouldn't face a single ounce of conviction nor would the FBI seek to expound on a single item of evidence.
Paul Ryan will open an inquiry in the coming days but get your skirts ready cause smoke will be filling the room. |
Couldnt agree more....
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Outside of a glitch or divine intervention, HRC will be the next POTUS.
I went on record almost 2 years ago before Trump's name was ever in the picture & stated what I just said above.
Basic Rights, education, abortion, LGBTQ, guns/ammo, SCOTUS, military & taxation on families & churches will all be her centerpieces with laser accuracy. She will do significant damage to all we hold precious. |
Agreed again . The way trump changes his mind hourly whos to say he wouldnt do the same.
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Using your logic c6th we would never have a chance but if we help to change the logic of 10 people around us we have at least a fighting chance. |
Let me make this commitment. If trump starts acting like he has just a little class and a leader of nations , dropping the name calling , and acting like a man with just a " little integrity " then I'll vote for him and encourage others to do the same.
In my opinion he has about much of a chance to do this as hillary has to become an honest individual. They both are possessed with the spirit of " Self first ". |
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7/7/16 10:54 am
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UncleJD |
| based on the "no vote is a vote logic" then if Hillary and Trump are tied and I don't vote for Trump OR her, then does that mean she wins since my "non vote" is a vote for Hillary? How confusing. |
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7/7/16 10:57 am
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c6thplayer1 |
| UncleJD wrote: | | based on the "no vote is a vote logic" then if Hillary and Trump are tied and I don't vote for Trump OR her, then does that mean she wins since my "non vote" is a vote for Hillary? How confusing. |
Its only confusing when you start tying hypothetical scenarios to the voting process. A vote for your candidate is exactly that and nothing more.
Probabilities tied to past results is not an exact science. |
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7/7/16 2:52 pm
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Methocostal |
Take your logic a step further. If the vote before you vote is 50 to each, your vote makes ALL the difference.
OK, so it is unlikely for the vote to truly be that close, BUT, if thousands or perhaps millions that would either stay out of the election or vote for a 3rd party candidate that has no chance, the result is Hillary is elected.
So, the issue is not you individually but a collective number of "you's".
However, your one vote example could possibly be literally true. I can't recall the exact number of disputed Florida votes in 2000, but I think it was in the 100 vote range where Bush ultimately won because of the electoral college system made those 100 or so voters to be the deciders of that election. Think of how close that was to a Gore Presidency. If only 100 or so people had chosen to sit out or vote for a hopeless 3rd party, the results would have been disastrously different.
In 1960, the dead people of Chicago elected Kennedy over Nixon. While we are all aware of Nixon's own ethical issues, at least part of his distrust was the result of that fraudulent election. (As an aside, Nixon had the good sense to not protest the vote because of the turmoil it would have caused the nation, unlike Al Gore who could care less except for his personal ambitions. ).
I'm sorry, but in extremely close elections, every vote can matter. Thankfully, in this case, Hillary will not get benefit if she wins California by 80% as she will only get the electoral votes from California. Therefore, a mere 100 votes in another pivotal (or two pivotal states) could easily offset her lead in the liberal states.
For good or bad, the results will turn on the votes in the electoral college.
| c6thplayer1 wrote: | | georgiapath wrote: | | Cojak wrote: | I agree with DEAN. You that don't, I do not understand. Just like you do not understand me (or Dean). Us that did not cast a vote for Hillary or Trump are not part of any present problem, but have the personal thoughts that if Hillary gets in the face of the supreme court will change. I know it, you know it.
Us fence riders do not know what Trump will do, but we know what Hillary will do. US folks who know trump is an egotist, a loudmouth know that congress will impeach him at the drop of a hat if he gets crazy. I prefer that wild and crazy route to Hillary becoming an entrenched president for 8, 8, 8 years.
I say 8, because this guy did not believe this country was stupid enough to elect OBUMMER for 8 but WE did. So forgive me for saying it, but if we as a country do not elect the loudmouth, we will get EIGHT more of what we have had and MORE!
I do not prefer Trump over Kascik (?) but it is either Trump or Hillary now, and I am 'Anyone but Hillary'.  |
You are absolutely right, a "no" vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary, plain and simple. God help us if she gets elected. |
I have no idea where you guys are coming from with this statement. Heres a true logic;
Lets assume the vote tally is below
1. Trump 50 votes ........... Hillary 60 votes
Say I vote for Trump the tally Changes;
1. Trump 51 votes ........... Hillary 60 votes
Say I dont vote for either then tally remains the same ;
1. Trump 50 votes ........... Hillary 60 votes
Examine this closely because Hillary gains nothing by not voting for trump which in turn makes your statement completely illogical and false. |
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7/7/16 4:30 pm
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c6thplayer1 |
| Methocostal wrote: | Take your logic a step further. If the vote before you vote is 50 to each, your vote makes ALL the difference.
OK, so it is unlikely for the vote to truly be that close, BUT, if thousands or perhaps millions that would either stay out of the election or vote for a 3rd party candidate that has no chance, the result is Hillary is elected.
So, the issue is not you individually but a collective number of "you's".
However, your one vote example could possibly be literally true. I can't recall the exact number of disputed Florida votes in 2000, but I think it was in the 100 vote range where Bush ultimately won because of the electoral college system made those 100 or so voters to be the deciders of that election. Think of how close that was to a Gore Presidency. If only 100 or so people had chosen to sit out or vote for a hopeless 3rd party, the results would have been disastrously different.
In 1960, the dead people of Chicago elected Kennedy over Nixon. While we are all aware of Nixon's own ethical issues, at least part of his distrust was the result of that fraudulent election. (As an aside, Nixon had the good sense to not protest the vote because of the turmoil it would have caused the nation, unlike Al Gore who could care less except for his personal ambitions. ).
I'm sorry, but in extremely close elections, every vote can matter. Thankfully, in this case, Hillary will not get benefit if she wins California by 80% as she will only get the electoral votes from California. Therefore, a mere 100 votes in another pivotal (or two pivotal states) could easily offset her lead in the liberal states.
For good or bad, the results will turn on the votes in the electoral college.
| c6thplayer1 wrote: | | georgiapath wrote: | | Cojak wrote: | I agree with DEAN. You that don't, I do not understand. Just like you do not understand me (or Dean). Us that did not cast a vote for Hillary or Trump are not part of any present problem, but have the personal thoughts that if Hillary gets in the face of the supreme court will change. I know it, you know it.
Us fence riders do not know what Trump will do, but we know what Hillary will do. US folks who know trump is an egotist, a loudmouth know that congress will impeach him at the drop of a hat if he gets crazy. I prefer that wild and crazy route to Hillary becoming an entrenched president for 8, 8, 8 years.
I say 8, because this guy did not believe this country was stupid enough to elect OBUMMER for 8 but WE did. So forgive me for saying it, but if we as a country do not elect the loudmouth, we will get EIGHT more of what we have had and MORE!
I do not prefer Trump over Kascik (?) but it is either Trump or Hillary now, and I am 'Anyone but Hillary'. |
You are absolutely right, a "no" vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary, plain and simple. God help us if she gets elected. |
I have no idea where you guys are coming from with this statement. Heres a true logic;
Lets assume the vote tally is below
1. Trump 50 votes ........... Hillary 60 votes
Say I vote for Trump the tally Changes;
1. Trump 51 votes ........... Hillary 60 votes
Say I dont vote for either then tally remains the same ;
1. Trump 50 votes ........... Hillary 60 votes
Examine this closely because Hillary gains nothing by not voting for trump which in turn makes your statement completely illogical and false. |
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The problem with hypothetical's is that that is all they are. Here's one that produces quality - If every christian in America stood up against abortion with passion we could eliminate it by impeaching those who support it and change the law.
Here's my commitment again and I only ask for Decency and leadership from the candidate. -
If trump starts acting like he has just a little class and a leader of nations , dropping the name calling , and acting like a " man " with just a " little integrity " then I'll vote for him and encourage others to do the same.
In my opinion he has about much of a chance to do this as hillary has to become an honest individual. They both are possessed with the spirit of " Self first ". |
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7/7/16 5:03 pm
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Dean Steenburgh |
For this election & not for any other election in the past, we're going to pick the POTUS out of a cesspool.
I talked about how that Hilary has an agenda to attack our basic Rights, education, abortion, LGBTQ, guns/ammo, SCOTUS, military & taxation on families & how that churches will be the centerpiece of her attack with laser accuracy. We're so focused on voting for the 'perfect' candidate & she is laughing at the Christian minority ...we no longer pose a threat. She will do significant damage to all we hold precious.
I'm not in love with Trump but at least his mouth isn't saying these types of horrible things. I hate some of the things he is saying but I have never heard him talk about taking away our guns while at the same time Hilary uses the word 'confiscation' in her vision for America. The last guy who used that word had 'Brown' shirts doing his dirty work.
Eddie uses the word intimidation, I can't see where anybody is being intimidated to vote for Trump but I will say anybody with an ounce of common sense can see that Trump doesn't pose the kind of threat to our basic rights & faith as she is suggesting. But hey, if you don't want to vote for him & she ends up winning by a slim margin then you can't proclaim that you tried to elect the only guy who has a viable chance of beating her ...sorry.
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7/9/16 12:51 pm
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c6thplayer1 |
| Dean Steenburgh wrote: | For this election & not for any other election in the past, we're going to pick the POTUS out of a cesspool.
I talked about how that Hilary has an agenda to attack our basic Rights, education, abortion, LGBTQ, guns/ammo, SCOTUS, military & taxation on families & how that churches will be the centerpiece of her attack with laser accuracy. We're so focused on voting for the 'perfect' candidate & she is laughing at the Christian minority ...we no longer pose a threat. She will do significant damage to all we hold precious.
I'm not in love with Trump but at least his mouth isn't saying these types of horrible things. I hate some of the things he is saying but I have never heard him talk about taking away our guns while at the same time Hilary uses the word 'confiscation' in her vision for America. The last guy who used that word had 'Brown' shirts doing his dirty work.
Eddie uses the word intimidation, I can't see where anybody is being intimidated to vote for Trump but I will say anybody with an ounce of common sense can see that Trump doesn't pose the kind of threat to our basic rights & faith as she is suggesting. But hey, if you don't want to vote for him & she ends up winning by a slim margin then you can't proclaim that you tried to elect the only guy who has a viable chance of beating her ...sorry.
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I dont know what he would do since he has such a problem with the truth ,
honesty and character. The list of ranking republicans that wont support this thug is enormous not to mention the republican voting block that will stay clear of him. It's not my fault or the thousands of others fault , it's trumps fault.
Bottom lines is trump cannot beat hillary given the current temperament of the republican voters which has been caused by trump himself.
You might be able to change a few voters mind to vote for him but it wouldnt make a dent in those that wont.
So it looks like we are going to have to weather more democratic slugs in office. Not to mention SCOTUS.
This wouldnt happen if Bankrupt Donald would stand up and act like a man instead of some backroom casino thug. But Like I said in a previous post , He has about a much of chance of doing that as hillary has to becoming an honest person.
Wasnt it Palin that said once " You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig "? |
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7/9/16 1:46 pm
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Dean Steenburgh |
| c6thplayer1 wrote: | | Dean Steenburgh wrote: | For this election & not for any other election in the past, we're going to pick the POTUS out of a cesspool.
I talked about how that Hilary has an agenda to attack our basic Rights, education, abortion, LGBTQ, guns/ammo, SCOTUS, military & taxation on families & how that churches will be the centerpiece of her attack with laser accuracy. We're so focused on voting for the 'perfect' candidate & she is laughing at the Christian minority ...we no longer pose a threat. She will do significant damage to all we hold precious.
I'm not in love with Trump but at least his mouth isn't saying these types of horrible things. I hate some of the things he is saying but I have never heard him talk about taking away our guns while at the same time Hilary uses the word 'confiscation' in her vision for America. The last guy who used that word had 'Brown' shirts doing his dirty work.
Eddie uses the word intimidation, I can't see where anybody is being intimidated to vote for Trump but I will say anybody with an ounce of common sense can see that Trump doesn't pose the kind of threat to our basic rights & faith as she is suggesting. But hey, if you don't want to vote for him & she ends up winning by a slim margin then you can't proclaim that you tried to elect the only guy who has a viable chance of beating her ...sorry.
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I dont know what he would do since he has such a problem with the truth ,
honesty and character. The list of ranking republicans that wont support this thug is enormous not to mention the republican voting block that will stay clear of him. It's not my fault or the thousands of others fault , it's trumps fault.
Bottom lines is trump cannot beat hillary given the current temperament of the republican voters which has been caused by trump himself.
You might be able to change a few voters mind to vote for him but it wouldnt make a dent in those that wont.
So it looks like we are going to have to weather more democratic slugs in office. Not to mention SCOTUS.
This wouldnt happen if Bankrupt Donald would stand up and act like a man instead of some backroom casino thug. But Like I said in a previous post , He has about a much of chance of doing that as hillary has to becoming an honest person.
Wasnt it Palin that said once " You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig "? |
I hear you but even with some in his own party steering clear of him he's either neck n neck with Hilary or in some polls he's leading her. I still do not think he is going to beat her because the D.C. political machine wants a woman & they want Hilary to be POTUS. On top of that the same D.C. machine does not want an aggressive pitbull outsider like Trump to win the nod.
As to the bankruptcy issues, keep in mind that happened back in the early to mid 90's & he filed for protection while paying everything off in full & earlier than expected. Almost 25 years since his first BK filing & in this current economic condition with millions of people having filed BK, I think more people would identify with him due to their own personal financial plight.
either way doesn't matter, she's going to win so might as well buckle in for a real bumpy ride. Maybe her reign in office will help guide God's people into a time of deeper & more meaningful prayer.
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