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Resident Skeptic

Muhammad Ali could get away with saying this.....(V)

Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **6/4/16 6:34 am**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiWFLsgVi4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igBFwS483Qk

Can you imagine what would happen to any white athlete who held to such views secretly (and was found out), much less brag about them on TV?
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Eddie Robbins

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **6/4/16 7:10 am**

It may not have been that big of a deal in the 60s. Nobody, black or white, would get away with it now.

bonnie knox

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **6/4/16 8:21 am**

Resident Skeptic, what are you talking about? Jesse Helms was getting elected back in those days by saying the same stuff.

Eddie Robbins

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **6/4/16 8:31 am**

Resident Skeptic

Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **6/4/16 9:23 am**

bonnie knox

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **6/4/16 9:38 am**

I know you were talking about athletes, but my point was that it seemed that quite a lot of people favored the segregation in the time period of the first video. My point with bringing up a politician is that a politician is only elected if he says things that a large portion of the voters agree with.
I'm agreeing with Eddie that comparing things that were said back in the 60's or early 70's is not the same thing if those words were spoken today. It's a different time.

c6thplayer1

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **6/4/16 10:44 am**

regardless of the era , a white athlete could not get away with saying anything close to what Ali said today.

Comparisons are one thing and Reality is the other thing.

BTW Ali Died Friday.

Quiet Wyatt

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **6/4/16 11:17 am**

I've known a lot of very intelligent people who decided to marry someone of a markedly different ethnicity. It seems to me that Ali was speaking more out of his own personal and cultural insecurities than anything else in these videos. Some of the most beautiful children in all the world are of mixed parentage, including my nieces and a nephew.

Quiet Wyatt

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **6/4/16 11:22 am**

Ali was a part of the Nation of Islam back then, which probably explains his strong separatist views in those videos.

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Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 **6/4/16 11:36 am**

I've lived overseas for much of my life. I know that different people-groups have different attitudes about racial intermarriage. My wife's people are okay with it as long as they adopt spouses into their people-groups, so they gave me a family name and some foster parents in the family network. The Padang people consider the children one of their own if the mother is Padang. The Javanese count the children as Javanese if the father is Javanese. And for some peoples, it is a big deal to keep their cultural identity.

If I understand it right, Chinese children in Indonesia are only considered Chinese if both parents are Chinese. If they mix, the kids are no longer Chinese. There are 500 year old Chinese communities there.

I knew an unmarried Christian Chinese man who was a leader in the house church movement whose dad was a pastor in a big Charismatic Bethel church there that is part of the COG. (I think that part of Bethany stuck with GBI since it was in Jakarta.) The unmarried man was dating a Batak girl. I didn't know them all that well, but just from what I knew of them, the girl seemed to be a really good candidate for a Pentecostal's preacher's daughter-in-law. She seemed really sweet, educated, very supportive of her boyfriend's ministry in church. Theologically, I believe they were all some sort of Pentecostal or Charismatic. As far as culture goes, the Batak are very pro-family and anti-divorce. A lot of the educated ones become lawyers and preachers. Many Pentecostal preachers are Batak, too.

They wanted to get married, but the man's father didn't agree to it. Why? Because she was not Chinese. They just dated for years and finally the father came around when the man was in his late 20's. The last I checked, they'd been married for years and had a child, and were still active in ministry. For Indonesians, parental consent is very important for marriages, especially for the type of decent folk you might meet in church.

I think Americans and other Europeans can be kind of ethnocentric and imperialistic when it comes to some of our values about race. If Cassius Clay wanted to marry a woman of the same race, good for him. But it is best if a society also allows me to be married to my Asian wife without social repercussions. I don't mind having half-Asian kids.

I don't agree with him that your own race necessarily cooks better. Few white women's cooking could hold a candle to my wife's. I remembered later I'd prayed for a wife who could cook Chinese food. She cooks Indonesian, Chinese, American, Thai, Korean, and many other countries' dishes. She can even do some southern cooking.
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bonnie knox

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **6/4/16 11:59 am**

c6thplayer1

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **6/4/16 4:24 pm**

bonnie knox

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **6/5/16 1:19 pm**

I was referring to food!

c6thplayer1

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **6/5/16 3:29 pm**

bonnie knox

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **6/5/16 4:04 pm**

Lovely dishes is the phrase you're looking for. Razz