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 When WoF Luminaries Pass Away, I'm Always Curious What Happened to Faith |
Old Time Country Preacher |
| If it works, it should work for the luminaries. |
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5/31/16 10:07 am
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brotherjames |
| leave it alone. |
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5/31/16 10:46 am
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| Nothing happens to faith |
roughridercog |
It's still here 
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5/31/16 11:30 am
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| brotherjames wrote: | | leave it alone. |
Too late, BJ, you done bit. You just didn't effectively defend the WOF position, which ain't surprising, cause it can't be defended--not without usin faulty exegesis. |
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5/31/16 1:22 pm
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UncleJD |
| somebody had to bring it up. My guess is it falls like a mantle to the next generation 7 fold ??? |
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5/31/16 3:19 pm
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bonnie knox |
It's not really a problem because reality denial has become a practice for them.
They guard against basing their beliefs on "circumstances," even criticizing people who point to real-life examples of saints who have gotten sick and died. (God is true, and every man is a liar.)
Then you also have those who will claim that the WOF luminaries actually were healed just prior to deciding that they had just rather go on and be with Jesus. (Pop Hagin taught you could decide when you wanted to go.) |
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| bonnie knox wrote: | | Then you also have those who will claim that the WOF luminaries actually were healed just prior to deciding that they had just rather go on and be with Jesus. (Pop Hagin taught you could decide when you wanted to go.) |
A ludicrous and ridiculous assertion, certainly not substantiated by Scripture. |
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6/1/16 1:48 pm
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| Re: When WoF Luminaries Pass Away, I'm Always Curious What Happened to Faith |
Cojak |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | If it works, it should work for the luminaries. |
It is so easy to ignore facts when you want to.
It is one of those things like condemning a fool for standing in front of a train that hits him, when you are just a little further down the line standing on the same tracks. 
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UncleJD |
| Carolyn Smith wrote: | When a Christian dies, that is the completion of his faith. No problem there.
Word of Faith people don't teach you'll never die. |
As long as they weren't sick when they died, otherwise they died in sin. |
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| UncleJD wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | When a Christian dies, that is the completion of his faith. No problem there.
Word of Faith people don't teach you'll never die. |
As long as they weren't sick when they died, otherwise they died in sin. |
So folk can have a stroke, heart attack, cancer, etc., rebuke it an git healed 20 seconds for they die, then choose to go to heaven an just give up the ghost? |
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6/2/16 2:16 pm
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Carolyn Smith |
| UncleJD wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | When a Christian dies, that is the completion of his faith. No problem there.
Word of Faith people don't teach you'll never die. |
As long as they weren't sick when they died, otherwise they died in sin. |
Funny, y'all are the only folk I've ever heard say this.
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6/2/16 9:12 pm
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Cojak |
| Carolyn Smith wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | When a Christian dies, that is the completion of his faith. No problem there.
Word of Faith people don't teach you'll never die. |
As long as they weren't sick when they died, otherwise they died in sin. |
Funny, y'all are the only folk I've ever heard say this. |
I have never heard that theory or belief either.
But to the OP. To be honest if someone actually believes that it is a 'sin' to be sick, or just 'do not claim' the sickness they are sick in my opinion. And that teaching or believe does 'hint' or point to a 'logical conclusion' one would never die.
I have never listened to anyone who taught that it was a sin to be sick, so I must take it from someone else I trust.
I remember a preacher with that 'sort' of belief in the late 1940's who had to close a revival at the Shelby, NC COG because he got the measles and had to absent himself 'for personal reasons'. The janitor (kin of mine) talked to him, because he was living in the basement of the church during the revival and he was covered with the measles but didn't want anyone to know it.
I do not believe every malady will be healed, I have known some wonderful saints who suffered thru terrible bouts of the flu.
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UncleJD |
| Carolyn Smith wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | When a Christian dies, that is the completion of his faith. No problem there.
Word of Faith people don't teach you'll never die. |
As long as they weren't sick when they died, otherwise they died in sin. |
Funny, y'all are the only folk I've ever heard say this. |
I take it your spouse never worked for Copeland and came home crying because they were reprimanded for "confessing" they were sick.  |
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Carolyn Smith |
| UncleJD wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | When a Christian dies, that is the completion of his faith. No problem there.
Word of Faith people don't teach you'll never die. |
As long as they weren't sick when they died, otherwise they died in sin. |
Funny, y'all are the only folk I've ever heard say this. |
I take it your spouse never worked for Copeland and came home crying because they were reprimanded for "confessing" they were sick. |
Confessing you're sick and believing you're in sin if you're sick are two entirely different things.
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6/2/16 11:33 pm
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| Carolyn Smith wrote: |
Confessing you're sick and believing you're in sin if you're sick are two entirely different things. |
Carolyn, this is exactly what Copeland teaches. I've heard Ken/GLoria with ma own ears describe how that when they git a physical symptom like a sore throat or a headache, the treat it just like any other sin, a lying symptom, and refuse to accept it. |
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6/3/16 12:25 am
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Carolyn Smith |
What I've heard them teach is that you are to rebuke sickness because it doesn't have a right in your body. That the Word says you're healed by the power of the blood of Jesus (which it does.)
But if you don't confess sickness, I'm not sure how you are supposed to be healed. Why would you need healing if you're not sick?
I don't agree with all they teach, but I sure would rather hear someone go off the deep end about being positive and having faith in God than be around people who are constantly complaining about sickness and every other negative thing in the world. And church people and some preachers are some of the most negative people in the world.
I haven't listened to their ministry in years, and yes, they do go off the deep end at times. But I also remember sitting in an auditorium in Charlotte listening to Gloria teach about healing and seeing people get up out of wheelchairs.
I don't know why I waste my time arguing with you when it really doesn't matter what I say.
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6/3/16 12:56 am
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UncleJD |
| Carolyn Smith wrote: |
Confessing you're sick and believing you're in sin if you're sick are two entirely different things. |
Not according to them unless you have been around them every day for a couple of years you really don't know the extent of the craziness. There was no "sick", the devil just gave you some symptoms and you chose to "receive it". If you said "I have a cold", that's "confessing". 
As a fairly new believer, my fiance at the time (now my wife of 24 years) was very confused by them. I had to talk her into leaving and deprogram some junk for the next few years. |
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Old Time Country Preacher |
After all of the error, the public disgrace/shame woffie theology has caused, the lives that have been destroyed, the faith of so many that came to shipwreck, after all the solid/substantive exegesis from both within/without the WOF camp proving it to contain cultic/extrabiblical tenets, etc................................I am absolutely amazed that some COG folk continue to defend/espouse/support/embrace/believe woffie error.  |
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6/3/16 10:55 am
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Quiet Wyatt |
I had a Copelandite in my church once who got very upset with me and rebuked me when I said, "Oh my head is killing me!" I used to get terrible migraines. She was just sure I was cursing myself by using such figures of speech.
Really though, the very worst aspect of WoFism is their blasphemous doctrine of the atonement, the 'born-again Jesus' doctrine. |
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