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 Did F. J. Lee Lack Faith When He Died from Cancer? |
Old Time Country Preacher |
This man, from the annals of COG history, after whom Lee University was named, died from cancer--refusing medical treatment, but trusting God for healing. Brother Lee died and went to be with his Lord. From all I've read about F. J. Lee, he was a stellar servant of the Lord.
My question is, "Did F. J. Lee lack faith for his healing, and this result in his passing?" |
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| His time to go. Every one of us will come to that time. Don't know Bro Lee but if he was a man of faith he probably was healed a number of times. |
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4/10/16 4:39 pm
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C'mon Oldtimer.
What kind of a question is that?
The ones that believe that stuff believe Paul, James, et al all lacked the faith that they (the enlightened ones) have - so of course they would lump F J Lee into that group too.
The rest of us know better.
Must be a slow news day for you or something.
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| Nature Boy Florida wrote: |
The ones that believe that stuff believe Paul, James, et al all lacked the faith that they (the enlightened ones) have - so of course they would lump F J Lee into that group too.. |
Who are the enlightened ones in this context? Copeland and ilk? |
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| No. he died in faith yet he lives! |
brotherjames |
However, consider this testimony of Smith Wigglesworth:
Smith Wigglesworth overcomes death!
I was called at 10 o’clock one night to pray for a young person given up by the doctor who was dying of consumption. As I looked, I saw that unless God undertook it was impossible for her to live. I turned to the mother and said, “Well, mother. you will have to go to bed.” She said, “Oh, I have not had my clothes off for three weeks.” I said to the daughters, “You will have to go to bed,” but they did not want to go. It was the same with the son. I put on my overcoat and said, “Good-bye, I’m off.” They said, “Oh, don’t leave us.” I said, “I can do nothing here.” They said, “Oh, if you will stop, we will all go to bed.” I knew that God would move nothing in an atmosphere of mere natural sympathy and unbelief.
They all went to bed and I stayed, and that was surely a time as I knelt by that bed face to face with death and with the devil. But God can change the hardest situation and make you know that He is almighty.
Then the fight came. It seemed as though the heavens were brass. I prayed from 11 to 3:30 in the morning. I saw the glimmering light on the face of the sufferer and saw her pass away. The devil said, “Now you are done for. You have come from Bradford and the girl has died on your hands.” I said, “It can’t be. God did not send me here for nothing. This is a time to change strength.” I remembered that passage which said, “Men ought always to pray and not to faint.” Death had taken place but I knew that my God was all-powerful, and He that had split the Red Sea is just the same today. It was a time when I would not have “No,” and God said “Yes.” I looked at the window and at that moment the face of Jesus appeared. It seemed as though a million rays of light were coming from His face. As He looked at the one who had just passed away, the color came back to the face. She rolled over and fell asleep. Then I had a glorious time. In the morning she woke early, put on a dressing gown and walked to the piano. She started to play and to sing a wonderful song. The mother and the sister and the brother had all come down to listen. The Lord had undertaken. A miracle had been wrought.
The Lord is calling us along this way. I am thanking God for difficult cases. The Lord has called us into heart union with Himself; He wants His bride to have one heart and one Spirit with Him and to do what He Himself loved to do. That case had to be a miracle. The lungs were gone, they were just in shreds, but the Lord restored lungs that were perfectly sound.
From the book: “Ever Increasing Faith”
Is it normative to see the dead raised? According to Jesus it is:
Mat 10:7-8 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. ( 8 ) Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Is faith necessary for healing? No, not always from the individual prayed for but it is necessary from someone - usually from the one praying.
I figured OTCP was looking for this and didn't want to disappoint him.
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4/11/16 3:56 pm
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| Re: No. he died in faith yet he lives! |
Nature Boy Florida |
| brotherjames wrote: | However, consider this testimony of Smith Wigglesworth:
Smith Wigglesworth overcomes death!
I was called at 10 o’clock one night to pray for a young person given up by the doctor who was dying of consumption. As I looked, I saw that unless God undertook it was impossible for her to live. I turned to the mother and said, “Well, mother. you will have to go to bed.” She said, “Oh, I have not had my clothes off for three weeks.” I said to the daughters, “You will have to go to bed,” but they did not want to go. It was the same with the son. I put on my overcoat and said, “Good-bye, I’m off.” They said, “Oh, don’t leave us.” I said, “I can do nothing here.” They said, “Oh, if you will stop, we will all go to bed.” I knew that God would move nothing in an atmosphere of mere natural sympathy and unbelief.
They all went to bed and I stayed, and that was surely a time as I knelt by that bed face to face with death and with the devil. But God can change the hardest situation and make you know that He is almighty.
Then the fight came. It seemed as though the heavens were brass. I prayed from 11 to 3:30 in the morning. I saw the glimmering light on the face of the sufferer and saw her pass away. The devil said, “Now you are done for. You have come from Bradford and the girl has died on your hands.” I said, “It can’t be. God did not send me here for nothing. This is a time to change strength.” I remembered that passage which said, “Men ought always to pray and not to faint.” Death had taken place but I knew that my God was all-powerful, and He that had split the Red Sea is just the same today. It was a time when I would not have “No,” and God said “Yes.” I looked at the window and at that moment the face of Jesus appeared. It seemed as though a million rays of light were coming from His face. As He looked at the one who had just passed away, the color came back to the face. She rolled over and fell asleep. Then I had a glorious time. In the morning she woke early, put on a dressing gown and walked to the piano. She started to play and to sing a wonderful song. The mother and the sister and the brother had all come down to listen. The Lord had undertaken. A miracle had been wrought.
The Lord is calling us along this way. I am thanking God for difficult cases. The Lord has called us into heart union with Himself; He wants His bride to have one heart and one Spirit with Him and to do what He Himself loved to do. That case had to be a miracle. The lungs were gone, they were just in shreds, but the Lord restored lungs that were perfectly sound.
| Quote: | | From the book: “Ever Increasing Faith” |
Is it normative to see the dead raised? According to Jesus it is:
Mat 10:7-8 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. ( 8 ) Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Is faith necessary for healing? No, not always from the individual prayed for but it is necessary from someone - usually from the one praying.
I figured OTCP was looking for this and didn't want to disappoint him.
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Sam Wigglesworth wrote "Ever Increasing Faith'? Who knew?
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4/11/16 5:02 pm
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| Re: No. he died in faith yet he lives! |
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| brotherjames wrote: | However, consider this testimony of Smith Wigglesworth:
Smith Wigglesworth overcomes death!
I was called at 10 o’clock one night to pray for a young person given up by the doctor who was dying of consumption. As I looked, I saw that unless God undertook it was impossible for her to live. I turned to the mother and said, “Well, mother. you will have to go to bed.” She said, “Oh, I have not had my clothes off for three weeks.” I said to the daughters, “You will have to go to bed,” but they did not want to go. It was the same with the son. I put on my overcoat and said, “Good-bye, I’m off.” They said, “Oh, don’t leave us.” I said, “I can do nothing here.” They said, “Oh, if you will stop, we will all go to bed.” I knew that God would move nothing in an atmosphere of mere natural sympathy and unbelief.
They all went to bed and I stayed, and that was surely a time as I knelt by that bed face to face with death and with the devil. But God can change the hardest situation and make you know that He is almighty.
Then the fight came. It seemed as though the heavens were brass. I prayed from 11 to 3:30 in the morning. I saw the glimmering light on the face of the sufferer and saw her pass away. The devil said, “Now you are done for. You have come from Bradford and the girl has died on your hands.” I said, “It can’t be. God did not send me here for nothing. This is a time to change strength.” I remembered that passage which said, “Men ought always to pray and not to faint.” Death had taken place but I knew that my God was all-powerful, and He that had split the Red Sea is just the same today. It was a time when I would not have “No,” and God said “Yes.” I looked at the window and at that moment the face of Jesus appeared. It seemed as though a million rays of light were coming from His face. As He looked at the one who had just passed away, the color came back to the face. She rolled over and fell asleep. Then I had a glorious time. In the morning she woke early, put on a dressing gown and walked to the piano. She started to play and to sing a wonderful song. The mother and the sister and the brother had all come down to listen. The Lord had undertaken. A miracle had been wrought.
The Lord is calling us along this way. I am thanking God for difficult cases. The Lord has called us into heart union with Himself; He wants His bride to have one heart and one Spirit with Him and to do what He Himself loved to do. That case had to be a miracle. The lungs were gone, they were just in shreds, but the Lord restored lungs that were perfectly sound.
From the book: “Ever Increasing Faith”
Is it normative to see the dead raised? According to Jesus it is:
Mat 10:7-8 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. ( 8 ) Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Is faith necessary for healing? No, not always from the individual prayed for but it is necessary from someone - usually from the one praying.
I figured OTCP was looking for this and didn't want to disappoint him.
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Brother James, I've read the writings of Wigglesworth, and I know that he is listed as one of God's Generals in Roberts Lairdon's volume(s) by the same title. I've heard/read Benny Hinn, Todd Bentley and a host of others claim the same thing.
Do I believe God could raise someone from the dead in 2016? Absolutely!
Do I believe that all who have claimed to raise the dead have done so? Absolutely not! |
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