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spartanfan |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | The reason Jesus wouldn't have voted is very different from anyone else's possible reasons. So in this case, WWJD or "Who would Jesus vote for," is really not a reasonable question, and certainly has no legitimate application to our lives as such as far as I can tell. |
And that reason is what? |
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| Re: And that reason is? |
Quiet Wyatt |
| spartanfan wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | The reason Jesus wouldn't have voted is very different from anyone else's possible reasons. So in this case, WWJD or "Who would Jesus vote for," is really not a reasonable question, and certainly has no legitimate application to our lives as such as far as I can tell. |
And that reason is what? |
He is King of kings. |
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3/24/16 7:44 pm
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| Re: And that reason is? |
spartanfan |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | spartanfan wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | The reason Jesus wouldn't have voted is very different from anyone else's possible reasons. So in this case, WWJD or "Who would Jesus vote for," is really not a reasonable question, and certainly has no legitimate application to our lives as such as far as I can tell. |
And that reason is what? |
He is king of kings. |
Kings don't vote, according to you. Revelation 1:6, "And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”
If it's that simple then we aren't to vote either because He has made us kings! But if He wouldn't vote because He is a King - let me ask you this: do Kings pay taxes? |
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3/24/16 8:20 pm
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| Re: And that reason is? |
Quiet Wyatt |
| spartanfan wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | spartanfan wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | The reason Jesus wouldn't have voted is very different from anyone else's possible reasons. So in this case, WWJD or "Who would Jesus vote for," is really not a reasonable question, and certainly has no legitimate application to our lives as such as far as I can tell. |
And that reason is what? |
He is king of kings. |
Kings don't vote, according to you. Revelation 1:6, "And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”
If it's that simple then we aren't to vote either because He has made us kings! |
I'm simply (and only) saying that Jesus himself never voted nor would He ever need to or want to, due to His being King of kings already. That does not mean we necessarily should or shouldn't vote. The question, WWJD, with regard to voting, simply does not follow, for Jesus himself wouldn't vote. |
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3/24/16 8:24 pm
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| Re: And that reason is? |
spartanfan |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | spartanfan wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | spartanfan wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | The reason Jesus wouldn't have voted is very different from anyone else's possible reasons. So in this case, WWJD or "Who would Jesus vote for," is really not a reasonable question, and certainly has no legitimate application to our lives as such as far as I can tell. |
And that reason is what? |
He is king of kings. |
Kings don't vote, according to you. Revelation 1:6, "And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”
If it's that simple then we aren't to vote either because He has made us kings! |
I'm simply (and only) saying that Jesus himself never voted nor would He ever need to or want to, due to His being King of kings already. That does not mean we necessarily should or shouldn't vote. The question, WWJD, with regard to voting, simply does not follow, for Jesus himself wouldn't vote. |
If He's King of Kings already- then that means we are Kings already? Therefore the "Kings don't vote" thought you presented applies to us too? |
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3/24/16 8:36 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
| Revelation 1:6 (NASB) and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen. |
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3/24/16 8:41 pm
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diakoneo |
I think we elevate these politicians WAY too high!
They are SUPPOSED to serve the people. To preserve the constitution. The president is the commander in chief of the military, but he is not some sort of king or dictator. When we elect, we should look at who the best person to fill the job description. We should hire the best!
Would Jesus hire a good public servant? I think He would. Yeah, I think He would vote IF he was born into a modern democratic republic. |
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3/24/16 10:21 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
| Quiet Wyatt may sometimes be Captain Obvious, but he does not engage in pedantry. |
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3/24/16 10:26 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
Here is a bit of 'pedantry' from New Testament theologian NT Wright:
"The question of whether Jesus would have voted is rather like asking whether the referee is allowed to score a goal in a football match." |
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3/24/16 10:46 pm
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| I vote..... |
spartanfan |
| Tom Sterbens wrote: | SpartanFan - I think the majority of people understand your original question was hypothetical, theoretical, speculative...whatever. The question, as such, clearly puts aside literal concerns of the nature of Jesus/God, including Him being King of Kings. It's a worthy question about which much has been written.
My apologies if my post hijacked.
To the point of your question:
Jesus made open statements about leaders of His day - religious and civic. He spoke of religious leaders in negative fashion as well as Herod. I think the opinion of the day is that Jesus would have voted them all out of office - at least John record of the Pharisees would seem to indicate that: 
John 11:48 (NASB95)
48 "If we let Him go on like this, all men will believe in Him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation."
I do think your question sort upends the whole socio-historical context in which Jesus lived and so it requires more imagination. But, lest we get caught in another Wyattarian pedantic vortex, I will avoid that discussion.
For Him it was all about the "truth making people free." His statement regarding this freedom was made to men who were living under Roman bondage (human government) and yet thought they were free.It was laughable... But I think if truth could be advanced by a vote then He would have voted...if truth could better be advanced by not voting He would not have voted.
We could hypothesize endlessly I guess, so I'll just stop.
Good question - thanks for posing it, again. |
I vote and encourage my congregation to. I do not endorse a particular candidate (even though I will vote for one over the others) because I am afraid I'll simply be promoting the best deceiver/ hypocrite . Trump is for Trump and is only running to preserve his own wealth - and he has to save the American economy from being dismantled and absorbed into the world economy to do it. He's doing it for himself - the byproduct will be the saving of our autonomy. That is not a bad thing. Nobody else has a chance to win the needed delegates so if he doesn't do it then we will see a brokered convention - and that gives the new world order folks a chance to get their guy in as the republican candidate (along with having the democratic candidate in their hip pocket) so their agenda moves forward no matter who wins the general election. I have problems with Trump. But I don't think he wants America weakened and dismantled because of the effect it will have on him. So..... that's my thing. Ben Carson was my first choice. Cruz was my second but now I see signs that he will be bought by the money people - and will lose to Hillary if he runs against her. Sorry for the rambling - but I am admittedly confused. So I was wanting some opinions as to whether I should even vote this time since I'm so confused. |
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3/24/16 10:49 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
| Tom Sterbens wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | Here is a bit of 'pedantry' from New Testament theologian NT Wright:
"The question of whether Jesus would have voted is rather like asking whether the referee is allowed to score a goal in a football match." |
A king wouldn't be a referee. |
To avoid being accused of pedantry, I won't try to explain how the analogy actually fits quite well. |
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3/24/16 11:06 pm
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bonnie knox |
| Quote: | | We could hypothesize endlessly I guess, so I'll just stop. |
Hypothesizing endlessly is where all the fun is. 
(That, and labeling vortices, lol). |
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Resident Skeptic |
Even if Jesus had not voted, I don't think that can be used as some sort of proof text he does not want us to vote, or that voting is not important.
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Quiet Wyatt |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Even if Jesus had not voted, I don't think that can be used as some sort of proof text he does not want us to vote, or that voting is not important. |
I agree with that. |
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