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 If Elections Held in Judea would Jesus have even voted? |
spartanfan |
Serious question - I'd like your opinion and reason why you think that way.....
If they were holding an election to choose a Governor of Judea in the time of Christ, say around 29-30 AD - do you think Jesus would have even voted? |
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3/23/16 10:50 am
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| Yes, a straight Republican ticket. He never catered to Demons or Rats (Democrats). |
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3/23/16 3:01 pm
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spartanfan |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Yes, a straight Republican ticket. He never catered to Demons or Rats (Democrats). |
I was wanting some serious responses. |
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3/23/16 4:52 pm
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| spartanfan wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Yes, a straight Republican ticket. He never catered to Demons or Rats (Democrats). |
I was wanting some serious responses. |
Our Lord did teach to render to Caesar what was Caesars, an he taught us to be good citizens, so yep, I think he woulda voted. |
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3/23/16 6:17 pm
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spartanfan |
| Yep. That's why I never start threads on here anymore. Everytime I do they never get serious consideration - so I just quit doing it. |
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3/24/16 8:49 am
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| Why would he support a Publican or a Pharasee? I say He would have stayed on His mission. He was only doing what the Father wanted. |
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3/24/16 10:03 am
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| If He wouldn't vote....... |
spartanfan |
| Change Agent wrote: | | Why would he support a Publican or a Pharasee? I say He would have stayed on His mission. He was only doing what the Father wanted. |
Then why would we belittle those who seek to imitate Him for not voting? |
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3/24/16 10:42 am
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| spartanfan wrote: | | Yep. That's why I never start threads on here anymore. Everytime I do they never get serious consideration - so I just quit doing it. |
My second post was serious, SF. |
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3/24/16 11:07 am
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Cojak |
This is mostly guess work and opinion. I think maybe he would have voted, how how would have voted? You would have to read the mind of GOD. NO ONE can accurately do that, methinks.
We live in the TODAY and NOW. WE dress different, look different and think different. Even read the WORD thru several interpretations.
Everyone must follow their heart and trust their minds to do that is right, considering the circumstances.
Hard call! would he? EVEN THE WHO?
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Quiet Wyatt |
| A king doesn't vote. |
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Patrick Harris |
| Tom Sterbens wrote: | I think we forget: The term used for the "church" (ekklesia) is the term that literally identifies "those who vote." It's roots are found in Athenian democratic foundations and represented the unique group of citizenry who were "the called out" for purposes of deciding/voting things like:
(#1) - ruling governmental ideologies
(#2) - military strategy
(#3) - civic issues
You can see the parallels between then and much of what we vote on today...really remarkable.
However, it has long been amazing to me that according to Matt 16 the "CHURCH" (ekklesia) has the power to (#1) vote in the rule Kingdom of Heaven, (#2) vote to prevail in spiritual warfare, and (#3) change the quality of life on this planet - more than any other institution of force.
What if we began to believe the church is "those who vote" - but our vote involves things of a far more grand eternal nature!?
One last fun note: It Greco-City state constructs it was the kérux who was the official crier who summoned the ekklesia together to vote or decide. That word is translated "preacher." I wonder how often we might forget what it is we are called to do as "preachers" and the implications. Are our sermons warm fuzzies, or meant to stimulate engagement of the only eternal legislative body ever created? - THE CHURCH!
Jesus actually did have something to say about voting...  |
There maybe a parallel between the two institutions, Church and Goverment. However, that parallel relationship does not imply any duty of a Christian to vote on civic or state issues, at most it implies that we as believers should be active in church issues and church goverment. |
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3/24/16 2:11 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | A king doesn't vote. |
(By the way...in the above post, I was responding to the question posed in the opening post, not really responding to anything else in the thread. I suppose I should have quoted the opening post to make that clear. Sorry for any confusion resulting from my failure to do so).
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Patrick Harris |
| Tom Sterbens wrote: | | Patrick Harris wrote: | | Tom Sterbens wrote: | I think we forget: The term used for the "church" (ekklesia) is the term that literally identifies "those who vote." It's roots are found in Athenian democratic foundations and represented the unique group of citizenry who were "the called out" for purposes of deciding/voting things like:
(#1) - ruling governmental ideologies
(#2) - military strategy
(#3) - civic issues
You can see the parallels between then and much of what we vote on today...really remarkable.
However, it has long been amazing to me that according to Matt 16 the "CHURCH" (ekklesia) has the power to (#1) vote in the rule Kingdom of Heaven, (#2) vote to prevail in spiritual warfare, and (#3) change the quality of life on this planet - more than any other institution of force.
What if we began to believe the church is "those who vote" - but our vote involves things of a far more grand eternal nature!?
One last fun note: It Greco-City state constructs it was the k�rux who was the official crier who summoned the ekklesia together to vote or decide. That word is translated "preacher." I wonder how often we might forget what it is we are called to do as "preachers" and the implications. Are our sermons warm fuzzies, or meant to stimulate engagement of the only eternal legislative body ever created? - THE CHURCH!
Jesus actually did have something to say about voting... |
There maybe a parallel between the two institutions, Church and Government. However, that parallel relationship does not imply any duty of a Christian to vote on civic or state issues, at most it implies that we as believers should be active in church issues and church goverment. |
I think I was pretty clear about where the focus of our "voting" should be placed.
| Quote: | | What if we began to believe the church is "those who vote" - but our vote involves things of a far more grand eternal nature!? |
We "vote" to make binding on earth the will of the Kingdom of Heaven.
That is effectively carried our through prayer, praise, intercession and the witness of the Kingdom. |
Apparently not to me.  But then I haven't had my meds today. |
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3/24/16 2:38 pm
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Change Agent |
I vote every election, but I may vote for someone that does not have a chance, but I vote. I had rather have a vote that is not deciding the winner than vote for the lessor of two to four evils.
I still don't think Jesus would have voted. |
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3/24/16 3:22 pm
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| Patrick Harris wrote: | | Tom Sterbens wrote: | | Patrick Harris wrote: | | Tom Sterbens wrote: | I think we forget: The term used for the "church" (ekklesia) is the term that literally identifies "those who vote." It's roots are found in Athenian democratic foundations and represented the unique group of citizenry who were "the called out" for purposes of deciding/voting things like:
(#1) - ruling governmental ideologies
(#2) - military strategy
(#3) - civic issues
You can see the parallels between then and much of what we vote on today...really remarkable.
However, it has long been amazing to me that according to Matt 16 the "CHURCH" (ekklesia) has the power to (#1) vote in the rule Kingdom of Heaven, (#2) vote to prevail in spiritual warfare, and (#3) change the quality of life on this planet - more than any other institution of force.
What if we began to believe the church is "those who vote" - but our vote involves things of a far more grand eternal nature!?
One last fun note: It Greco-City state constructs it was the k�rux who was the official crier who summoned the ekklesia together to vote or decide. That word is translated "preacher." I wonder how often we might forget what it is we are called to do as "preachers" and the implications. Are our sermons warm fuzzies, or meant to stimulate engagement of the only eternal legislative body ever created? - THE CHURCH!
Jesus actually did have something to say about voting... |
There maybe a parallel between the two institutions, Church and Government. However, that parallel relationship does not imply any duty of a Christian to vote on civic or state issues, at most it implies that we as believers should be active in church issues and church goverment. |
I think I was pretty clear about where the focus of our "voting" should be placed.
| Quote: | | What if we began to believe the church is "those who vote" - but our vote involves things of a far more grand eternal nature!? |
We "vote" to make binding on earth the will of the Kingdom of Heaven.
That is effectively carried our through prayer, praise, intercession and the witness of the Kingdom. |
Apparently not to me. But then I haven't had my meds today. |
I pray that Patrick's meds will take effect immediately.  |
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3/24/16 3:46 pm
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| Great stuff however..... |
spartanfan |
| If they would have been holding elections for the position of Governor of Judea in 29-30 AD and Jesus were eligible to vote - do you think He would have voted or not? |
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3/24/16 4:02 pm
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| Re: Great stuff however..... |
Quiet Wyatt |
| spartanfan wrote: | | If they would have been holding elections for the position of Governor of Judea in 29-30 AD and Jesus were eligible to vote - do you think He would have voted or not? |
A king wouldn't vote. |
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3/24/16 4:04 pm
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spartanfan |
you say Jesus wouldn't vote. Is it our responsibility then to vote? After all - the ultimate achievement of any disciple is to be found in the image of the Master. We obey Him - we imitate Him. We want to be like Him in every way possible.
So if Jesus would have stayed out of politics then do we do wrong for verbally chastising our brothers and sisters who choose to stay out of it? I am seriously asking - because if the elections keep in the direction they are I may not have anyone to vote for that I can feel good about pulling the lever for. Do I need to do it and encourage those who sit under my ministry to do so too? You know - vote for the lesser of the 2 evils? Is that still voting for evil? |
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3/24/16 4:53 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
| The lesser of two evils is indeed still evil. |
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3/24/16 5:09 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
| The reason Jesus wouldn't have voted is very different from anyone else's possible reasons. So in this case, WWJD or "Who would Jesus vote for," is really not a reasonable question, and certainly has no legitimate application to our lives as such as far as I can tell. |
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