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Trump & Chavez, the same person?

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **3/19/16 1:03 pm**

I spend a lot of time in South America doing evangelism and missions work. I used to go to Venezuela a lot but it has gotten too dangerous for me to take students there at present. Venezuela suffered under Chavez and his "democratic socialism" for years and then God got rid of him and his successor, Maduro is now trying to fulfill CHavez' vision. Fortunately, the people have finally seen the light and ousted the revolutionaries from the Congress/Assembly but the country is in ruins. Chavez used to come onto tv and run his mouth for hours and hours in a stream of consciousness sort of way. He rose to power because the people thought they had a strong man who would beat back the imperialist countries and profiteering companies who took such advantage of them and throw out the bums, the corrupt politicians who were in their pockets. Well, it didn't work. THe country is much worse off now than even at the height of its days as a "banana republic".

However, I see a parallel between Chavez and D. J. Trump. and I'm not the only one. THe article below is from El Universal the daily newspaper of Venezuela. History is going to repeat itself if we don't learn from it.

http://www.eluniversal.com/opinion/160319/trumps-way

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OPINION
Trump's way
His style is confrontational. He is irreverent, rude, and knows no limits

What makes people support an aggressive, segregationist, and obtuse leader? (File photo)
CAROLINA JAIMES BRANGER | EL UNIVERSAL
Saturday March 19, 2016 12:00 AM
Venezuelans know very well such a way of making politics. "Like poles repel; unlike poles attract." That is a law, and it is true not only in physics. It is frequent in human relationships as well. It is also a rule in politics: extreme sides are alike, even though the doctrines proclaimed are radically opposed.

As I follow the republican presidential campaign in which Donald Trump seems to be about to stand triumphant, I think about who similar to late Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez he is.

What makes people support an aggressive, segregationist, and obtuse leader? It has nothing to do with education: remember that the most cultured people in the world bought the speech of Adolf Hitler. It has nothing to do with religion either: horrible crimes have been committed in God's name throughout history. I believe it has to do more with basic instincts and lower passions, and, without a doubt, it takes more than education and religion to go against that.

Trump –in the same style as Chávez when he was running for president- went even farther, and talked about "killing those at odds" with him. For the first time in the history of the United States a candidate uttered such nonsense in television. He said it backward and forward; kind of joking, kind of seriously, amid followers who cheered him.

Freedom of speech? Saying something that disregards civism, democracy, and respect for the dissent cannot be called "freedom." In another campaign event where Trump said that those who criticized him had to be hit, one of Trump's followers, John McGraw, assaulted a black man, Rakeem Jones, who had attended the event. The worst is that security handcuffed and arrested the victim, while McGraw was allowed to return to his seat.

Is that what the military will do? General Michael Hayden told Msnbc: "The military will not obey orders that break laws. It is not a riot, it is not a coup d'état. We will refuse to violate the law."

A coupe of days later, Corey Lewandowski, Trump's campaign manager, yanked journalist Michelle Fields. When he was questioned about the incident, he said that Fields was just an "attention seeker." Here, in Venezuela, we have seen several seasons of that horror show. Unfortunately, no one learns from other people's experiences...

Maybe we will learn in time, but I doubt it.

Resident Skeptic

Re: Trump & Chavez, the same person?

Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **3/19/16 4:22 pm**

brotherjames

I didn't write the segregationist point

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **3/19/16 4:48 pm**

but I see many parallels in Trump's demeanor and actions to Hugo Chavez. Just sayin". Be careful what you wish for, you might not like the end result. We''ll see, I guess.

c6thplayer1

Re: I didn't write the segregationist point

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **3/19/16 5:12 pm**

Resident Skeptic

Re: I didn't write the segregationist point

Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **3/19/16 5:40 pm**

brotherjames

Perhaps

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **3/19/16 6:20 pm**

I don't think Trump is of the same spirit as Hitler but the entire nation of Germany after huge losses in WWI and a horrible economy became nationalistic and populist, even the intelligentsia became enamored with him. Trump is appealing to the same frustrations that I saw in Venezuela, he talks and blusters a lot without saying anything. I heard the same thing out CHavez' mouth. I hope I'm wrong. I hate Hillary as well but as hard as it might be to believe if you haven't seen it, Trump could actually be worse (I'm a tepid Cruz fan btw). Deliver us Lord from lying lips and empty heads. Done with Hannity and Fox too and Rush should be ashamed of himself. Ann COulter is an idiot and Laura Ingraham is smarter than this but she only sees the wall that she hopes is coming. She is one issue - immigration.

Resident Skeptic

Re: Perhaps

Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **3/19/16 7:37 pm**

brotherjames

I agree about immigration

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **3/19/16 8:09 pm**

but I still think others (like Cruz) would accomplish the same thing. I also have an idea that Trump can't beat Hillary so all of this is moot. But... if he does win, I guess it looks too similar to me to someone in Venezuela. Ask them what they (the ones who are still left) think about Chavez. Started as a man of and for the people but his arrogance, stupidity and general incompetence brought disaster to his country/men.

diakoneo

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **3/19/16 10:01 pm**

Trump & Chavez, the same person?

Hmmmm... Have they ever been seen together????

Could very well be Wink

c6thplayer1

Re: I didn't write the segregationist point

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **3/19/16 10:36 pm**

Purplebarney

ridiculous!

Acts-celerater Posts: 704 **3/20/16 1:44 pm**

Its almost as if Donald Trump was the pastor of the largest COG and just took it independent because they couldn't find a building to fit all 500,000 members. And now everyone is trying to find every parallel or example that compares him to Hilter or Chavez or Stalin. PURE JEALOUSY!!!! Thats what it sounds like. The guy is successful. A PROVEN leader! That makes people jealous. People around him LOVE him. People who work for him LOVE him. They spend time with him daily. So they would KNOW the man! Yet the media, who have limited access, think they really know who he is. People.....you MUST be smarter than the media here. All these comparisons to dictators show a lack of respect for a man who loves his country as much as anyone! Sad! I won't fall for it nor will the millions and millions who have come out of the woods to make sure their vote is counted. TRUMP can beat Hilary!

TRUMP is as AMERICAN as they come. The guy has all the money and things that he needs. What he DOESN'T need is the headache that comes with being President of the USA. However, the guy LOVES his country so much that he feels like he NEEDS to do something. How awesome is that!?! He's NOT running so he can put a title by his name or boost his already large ego (yes, he has an ego but to be in business you have to have an ego of some sort). He's running because he has seen enough and feels he needs to do something about it. How AWESOME is that!!!!!!??????

Christians for TRUMP!

bonnie knox

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **3/20/16 2:23 pm**

bonnie knox

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **3/20/16 2:54 pm**

cute!