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Rev Rick |
As an outsider (COGOP) will the Church of God ordain a man into ministry, that has been married multiple times , his wife multiple times ? is there a place in ministry He can serve , if not Pastoriing?
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2/2/16 3:00 pm
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| Who would want them if they are not smart enough not to get married multiple time. |
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2/2/16 3:04 pm
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Aaron Scott |
| georgiapath wrote: | | Who would want them if they are not smart enough not to get married multiple time. |
Jesus apparently placed some value on a woman that had been married 5 times.
Apparently God found use for the HARLOT Rahab.
You might as well ask "Who would want someone who's not smart enough to NOT sin?" |
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2/2/16 3:06 pm
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| Aaron Scott wrote: | | georgiapath wrote: | | Who would want them if they are not smart enough not to get married multiple time. |
Jesus apparently placed some value on a woman that had been married 5 times.
Apparently God found use for the HARLOT Rahab.
You might as well ask "Who would want someone who's not smart enough to NOT sin?" |
Thank you. Ditto.
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wayne |
were the divorces post their conversion? was any of their divorces while they were a licensed minister?
I am a DO and I just asked this question.
As far as a place to minister - yes. |
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Quiet Wyatt |
Unless things have changed recently, the one desiring ministry credentials with the CoG had to be the innocent party in the divorce. I think they do have (or did have) a certain number of strikes before you were out, too. Your best bet in finding out how your case would be considered would be to talk to the state administrative bishop in the state where you live.
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Quiet Wyatt |
| As far as ministry in a local church, that would really depend on the local pastor. |
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Cojak |
WE all pay for our mistakes in some way.
That said, if they truly feel called for something in the kingdom work, they must pray and ask that something 'open up' that, would most likely, will be in association with an independent plant or working in a local church with an understanding pastor.
I am most sure it would not be a credentialed position in the COG. JMHO
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| Aaron Scott wrote: |
Jesus apparently placed some value on a woman that had been married 5 times. |
But wasn't at woman the innocent party all five times? |
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DrDuck |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Aaron Scott wrote: |
Jesus apparently placed some value on a woman that had been married 5 times. |
But wasn't at woman the innocent party all five times? |
Just trying to remember how many divorce related counseling situations I was involved with in over 50 years of ministry where all concerned were not the innocent party.
Don't remember any. |
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2/2/16 5:37 pm
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c6thplayer1 |
| DrDuck wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Aaron Scott wrote: |
Jesus apparently placed some value on a woman that had been married 5 times. |
But wasn't at woman the innocent party all five times? |
Just trying to remember how many divorce related counseling situations I was involved with in over 50 years of ministry where all concerned were not the innocent party.
Don't remember any. |
Does that Avatar mean Confederate States of America ? |
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Quiet Wyatt |
| I don't think anyone means absolutely innocent (like a newborn babe or something). What is meant by 'innocent party' is when, for instance, a preacher has an affair with his church secretary and he loses his marriage over his indiscretion. In such cases, his WIFE being the innocent party in the divorce, she would not necessarily be disqualified from getting ministerial credentials with the Church of God. |
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Cojak |
| DrDuck wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Aaron Scott wrote: |
Jesus apparently placed some value on a woman that had been married 5 times. |
But wasn't at woman the innocent party all five times? |
Just trying to remember how many divorce related counseling situations I was involved with in over 50 years of ministry where all concerned were not the innocent party.
Don't remember any. |
Yeah, DrD, we all seem to see ourselves as doing the best we can, and others just don't try hard enough.
And honestly I have known guys IMO, 'that no body could live with', but they saw themselves as the innocent party, as pure as the driven snow. 
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DrDuck |
| c6thplayer1 wrote: | | DrDuck wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Aaron Scott wrote: |
Jesus apparently placed some value on a woman that had been married 5 times. |
But wasn't at woman the innocent party all five times? |
Just trying to remember how many divorce related counseling situations I was involved with in over 50 years of ministry where all concerned were not the innocent party.
Don't remember any. |
Does that Avatar mean Confederate States of America ? |
Most emphatically YES! It represents those who truly understood and were willing to fight for preservation of the Constitution as originally delivered by the framers. To fight against those whose ignorance led them to fight just as hard to divest themselves and their posterity of God given rights.
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2/3/16 8:13 am
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brotherjames |
| Quote: | | Most emphatically YES! It represents those who truly understood and were willing to fight for preservation of the Constitution as originally delivered by the framers. To fight against those whose ignorance led them to fight just as hard to divest themselves and their posterity of God given rights. |
Would that be the God-given right to keep and own slaves?
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2/3/16 10:30 am
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And before y'all start flamiin' me, I am a Southerner
Since South Carolina was the catalyst, we will start there. The Secession Convention of that state produced a document entitled, "Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union".
The Declaration asserted that the Northern states had combined in league to subvert the original scope of the Constitution -- namely that:
the Northern states were failing to return fugitive slaves, in violation of their obligations under Article Four of the Constitution.
the Northern states tolerated abolitionists and insurrectionists (such as John Brown) who incited slaves in the South to rebel.
misguided political and religious beliefs in the North made future sectional unity impossible.
some states were elevating persons "incapable of becoming citizens" (i.e. free blacks) and using their votes to support anti-slavery policies.
the Republican Party was planning to wage a war against slavery upon taking office in March 1861.
It was an economic war, built upon the perceived desire of the North to abolish Slavery, pure and simple. |
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2/3/16 10:34 am
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bonnie knox |
| May I suggest taking discussions of the War of Northern Aggression to another thread since this is primarily about ministers with multiple marriages? |
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DrDuck |
| brotherjames wrote: | And before y'all start flamiin' me, I am a Southerner
Since South Carolina was the catalyst, we will start there. The Secession Convention of that state produced a document entitled, "Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union".
The Declaration asserted that the Northern states had combined in league to subvert the original scope of the Constitution -- namely that:
the Northern states were failing to return fugitive slaves, in violation of their obligations under Article Four of the Constitution.
the Northern states tolerated abolitionists and insurrectionists (such as John Brown) who incited slaves in the South to rebel.
misguided political and religious beliefs in the North made future sectional unity impossible.
Somewhat vaguely true but mostly Northern revisionist historical view.
Tolerated John Brown? Last I heard the feds hung John Brown.
some states were elevating persons "incapable of becoming citizens" (i.e. free blacks) and using their votes to support anti-slavery policies.
the Republican Party was planning to wage a war against slavery upon taking office in March 1861.
It was an economic war, built upon the perceived desire of the North to abolish Slavery, pure and simple. |
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2/3/16 11:40 am
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DrDuck |
| bonnie knox wrote: | | May I suggest taking discussions of the War of Northern Aggression to another thread since this is primarily about ministers with multiple marriages? |
May I suggest the same.
I was simply answering a question directly put to me. However, I have hashed this over more times than I can count and will not continue the subject further in this thread or any other on this site. It is pointless since I will not change my view and neither will most others. |
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2/3/16 11:45 am
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UncleJD |
| Correct me if I'm wrong but can't the state board review on a case-by-case basis? Perhaps if the candidate was divorced and remarried prior to conversion? Or not at fault? |
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