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bradfreeman |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Not odd.
In fact it was very expected that you did not have any scriptures that stated your opinion...just your mumbo jumbo weaving around the facts. |
Here are the scriptures I've cited previously (plus 1 Jn. 4:7,8 ).
John 6:28 Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”
What work is God doing? He is believing in His Son. If you want to work the works of God, believe in His Son.
Why does God need faith?
Because He is love (1 John 4:7,8 )...and love believes all things, hopes all things.
1 Cor. 13:7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
| Quote: | I will mark it down that you don't have any verses that say God has faith in himself.
I had faith that you wouldn't find any. |
I wasn't looking for any, nor did I make that point. I simply questioned Tom on his point concerning whether God has faith in Himself.
Do you believe in yourself?
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Nature Boy Florida |
| bradfreeman wrote: | | Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Not odd.
In fact it was very expected that you did not have any scriptures that stated your opinion...just your mumbo jumbo weaving around the facts. |
Here are the scriptures I've cited previously (plus 1 Jn. 4:7,8 ).
John 6:28 Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”
What work is God doing? He is believing in His Son. If you want to work the works of God, believe in His Son.
Why does God need faith?
Because He is love (1 John 4:7,8 )...and love believes all things, hopes all things.
1 Cor. 13:7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
| Quote: | I will mark it down that you don't have any verses that say God has faith in himself.
I had faith that you wouldn't find any. |
I wasn't looking for any, nor did I make that point. I simply questioned Tom on his point concerning whether God has faith in Himself.
Do you believe in yourself? |
Sorry man - you are trying to make something fit that isn't there.
I still got you down as no scripture that actually says what you want it to say. You can repeat it as many times as you like. It doesn't say it.
Thanks.
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Why would an all knowing, all powerful God need faith.
We are limited, therefore we need faith in God.
"It is not our faith it is His faith" is one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard. Plain and simple. IMO debating this is not worth the time spent in doing so.
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| bradfreeman wrote: | | diakoneo wrote: | Does Father God need faith in Son or Spirit when they (three) are one?
If the three are all God and all have same mind, they do not need faith in eternity.
Christ operated in faith while He was on earth, though because He was not dwelling in eternity while here.
One day when we dwell in eternity, faith will no longer be necessary for us. |
Faith, hope and love remain. They are eternal. As long as we live in relationship, we live in faith, hope and love. A lot of things will "cease" when that which is perfect has come, but not faith, hope and love. |
Why do we need faith for that which we have realized?
Faith being the substance of things hoped for (expected) and the evidence of things not seen. When we realize what we have expected, why would we any longer need faith? |
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diakoneo |
| Cojak wrote: | | diakoneo wrote: | ...
One day when we dwell in eternity, faith will no longer be necessary for us. |
I am so 'unlearned' about the mysteries of God. Amazing one day, in THE ETERNITY that I, even I, will know some stuff (But then it might not be important, just common knowledge), if there is such a thing in the Presence of God. WOW, the thought!  |
Oh, yes! We cannot begin to imagine what it will be like!!! |
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bradfreeman |
| diakoneo wrote: | | Why do we need faith for that which we have realized |
This, I think, is one of the fundamental issues I take with the Word of Faith movement: Some teachers elevate faith "for" above faith "in".
Foundationally, faith is not "faith for something", it's "faith in someone"...God. As long as there is relationship, there will be someone for me to believe in, to expect good from and to love...regardless of whether there is "stuff" for me to have "faith for".
Mark 11:22 And Jesus answered saying to them, “Have faith in God. 23 Truly I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says is going to happen, it will be granted him.
We are already in relationship with God and believing in Him, loving Him and expecting good from Him (hoping). That won't change we when get our immortal, glorified human bodies.
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| bradfreeman wrote: |
Your protestations simply illustrate your desire to argue against word of faith theology even at the expense of Truth. |
Way too funny, Brad. The faulty nature of WOF theology has nothing to do with this discussion. |
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| Re: "It's His faith, not our faith" |
skinnybishop |
| JLarry wrote: | Listening to a pastor on TV from Albany Ga. This is what he said.
Quote: "The just shall live by faith, and it's His faith not our faith". Stan Glass, Pastor, Life Christian Center International, Albany Ga. |
In the words of many a Southern philosopher...."Do what?"
I assume this to mean, "The just shall live by God's faith...in Himself?"
Laying aside whether God needs faith or not....How can one live by another's faith?
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| Re: "It's His faith, not our faith" |
bradfreeman |
| skinnybishop wrote: | | Laying aside whether God needs faith or not....How can one live by another's faith? |
The same way we live by another's life and love by another's love (1 Jn 3:17 it's the love of God abiding in us that causes us to help).
1 Jn. 3:17 But whoever has the world’s goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?
As believers, we died with Christ and God has moved inside of us and is living through us and producing in us the fruit of His Spirit.
Notice how each of these passages speaks of our death and our new life - Christ (who is the Spirit - 2 Cor. 3:18 ) living in us and producing the fruit of His new life.
Rom. 6:11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Rom. 7:4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
Gal.2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
Gal. 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Col. 3:3 For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.
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| Brad, have you not read in your Strong's Concordance that there is a difference in "FAITH" and "FAITHFULNESS?" |
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bradfreeman |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Brad, have you not read in your Strong's Concordance that there is a difference in "FAITH" and "FAITHFULNESS?" |
Where is that? 
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| Re: "It's His faith, not our faith" |
skinnybishop |
| bradfreeman wrote: | | skinnybishop wrote: | | Laying aside whether God needs faith or not....How can one live by another's faith? |
The same way we live by another's life and love by another's love (1 Jn 3:17 it's the love of God abiding in us that causes us to help).
1 Jn. 3:17 But whoever has the world’s goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?
As believers, we died with Christ and God has moved inside of us and is living through us and producing in us the fruit of His Spirit.
Notice how each of these passages speaks of our death and our new life - Christ (who is the Spirit - 2 Cor. 3:18 ) living in us and producing the fruit of His new life.
Rom. 6:11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Rom. 7:4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
Gal.2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
Gal. 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Col. 3:3 For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory. |
That's a lot of Scripture that doesn't apply to the question. I didn't ask how we love by another's love. I asked how one can live by another's faith
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| Re: "It's His faith, not our faith" |
bradfreeman |
| skinnybishop wrote: | | That's a lot of Scripture that doesn't apply to the question. I didn't ask how we love by another's love. I asked how one can live by another's faith |
The point is: We live by His life. God breathed His life into man in the original creation and gives us His life in the new birth.
He produces in us the fruit of His life...His love, His joy, His peace, His patience, His kindness, His goodness, His meekness, His faithfulness and His self-control.
Where does faith originate? Are we the source of our faith?
Where does every good and perfect gift come from? Is faith good?
Who gives every man the measure of faith?
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| Re: "It's His faith, not our faith" |
skinnybishop |
| bradfreeman wrote: | | skinnybishop wrote: | | That's a lot of Scripture that doesn't apply to the question. I didn't ask how we love by another's love. I asked how one can live by another's faith |
The point is: We live by His life. God breathed His life into man in the original creation and gives us His life in the new birth.
He produces in us the fruit of His life...His love, His joy, His peace, His patience, His kindness, His goodness, His meekness, His faithfulness and His self-control.
Where does faith originate? Are we the source of our faith?
Where does every good and perfect gift come from? Is faith good?
Who gives every man the measure of faith? |
Again, my question is not about His life.....the origin of faith.....or the origin of every good and perfect gift, etc.
How does one live by another's faith? In practical, everyday terms, how does one live by another's faith?
You haven't answered me yet. The idea that God gives faith, therefore we live by "His" faith is a pretty far stretch, especially in the context of this conversation.
If we live by God's faith, (the original issue this thread addressed) then either we don't need our own...or we are, in reality, just borrowing His.
Which way is it?
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wayne |
An eternal, all powerful, all knowing, omnipresent, God that needs faith?
"That don't make no sense!" |
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| Re: "It's His faith, not our faith" |
bradfreeman |
| skinnybishop wrote: | | bradfreeman wrote: | | skinnybishop wrote: | | That's a lot of Scripture that doesn't apply to the question. I didn't ask how we love by another's love. I asked how one can live by another's faith |
The point is: We live by His life. God breathed His life into man in the original creation and gives us His life in the new birth.
He produces in us the fruit of His life...His love, His joy, His peace, His patience, His kindness, His goodness, His meekness, His faithfulness and His self-control.
Where does faith originate? Are we the source of our faith?
Where does every good and perfect gift come from? Is faith good?
Who gives every man the measure of faith? |
Again, my question is not about His life.....the origin of faith.....or the origin of every good and perfect gift, etc.
How does one live by another's faith? In practical, everyday terms, how does one live by another's faith?
You haven't answered me yet. The idea that God gives faith, therefore we live by "His" faith is a pretty far stretch, especially in the context of this conversation.
If we live by God's faith, (the original issue this thread addressed) then either we don't need our own...or we are, in reality, just borrowing His.
Which way is it? |
You'll figure it out. ...and if you don't, who cares?
Here's another one to help:
1 Cor. 12:8 For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
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