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Dean Steenburgh |
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... I have also never once said or implied that gambling is equivalent to prostitution or drug dealing. Again, simply your own assumption. |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | Gambling used to be against the law in most states, and marijuana has now been legalized in several states.
If a legal marijuana seller in Colorado wanted to tithe from his profits, would that justify the marijuana dealer's business? |
| Quote: | | ... Prostitution and drug dealing would be justified by the same token, at least supplying employment to some. |
It looks like you did.
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Quiet Wyatt |
| Dean Steenburgh wrote: | | Quote: | Dean,
... I have also never once said or implied that gambling is equivalent to prostitution or drug dealing. Again, simply your own assumption. |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | Gambling used to be against the law in most states, and marijuana has now been legalized in several states.
If a legal marijuana seller in Colorado wanted to tithe from his profits, would that justify the marijuana dealer's business? |
| Quote: | | ... Prostitution and drug dealing would be justified by the same token, at least supplying employment to some. |
It looks like you did. |
No, what I did was use your own logic (that taking tithe from a gambler's winnings would be to condone gambling) to show how your logic on this simply does not follow. You have argued that to take tithe from lottery winnings would be to condone (which means to justify) gambling. By that same logic, a legal pot dealer donating to your church would likewise justify legalized pot dealing. |
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1/17/16 12:07 am
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Dean Steenburgh |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | Dean Steenburgh wrote: | | Quote: | Dean,
... I have also never once said or implied that gambling is equivalent to prostitution or drug dealing. Again, simply your own assumption. |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | Gambling used to be against the law in most states, and marijuana has now been legalized in several states.
If a legal marijuana seller in Colorado wanted to tithe from his profits, would that justify the marijuana dealer's business? |
| Quote: | | ... Prostitution and drug dealing would be justified by the same token, at least supplying employment to some. |
It looks like you did. |
No, what I did was use your own logic (that taking tithe from a gambler's winnings would be to condone gambling) to show how your logic on this simply does not follow. You have argued that to take tithe from lottery winnings would be to condone (which means to justify) gambling. By that same logic, a legal pot dealer donating to your church would likewise justify legalized pot dealing. |
OK QW you win!
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1/17/16 12:14 am
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Eddie Robbins |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | Eddie Robbins wrote: | | I've not read any of this and I really don't care what anybody thinks about me buying a lottery ticket unless it makes a difference what I care about all of the other ways that they waste money. |
So we can agree that wasting money is wrong, right? |
Wasting money is wrong for me. Playing the lottery is not wasting money or wrong for me, however. First, I don't spend $10 a year on it. Second, the reason it's not a waste is that money goes to education here in Georgia and all three of my girls went to college for free and got their degrees. I am way ahead of the game. Money for education is not a waste, IMHO. Being holier than thou and questioning people's Christianity on this one thing is also wrong. |
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1/17/16 7:51 am
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diakoneo |
| Dave Dorsey wrote: | | diakoneo wrote: | | Dave Dorsey wrote: | | Tom Sterbens wrote: | | Stock market???? |
All investing is motivated by greed and covetousness.
Buying low and selling high is a dishonest scale. |
Yeah
If a certain MBT was around aka LC he could set us all straight on that.  
I really like him even if he is wrong (as is Tom Sterbens here) on some things. |
I was agreeing with Tom, for the record. |
OK. All three of you are wrong.  |
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| Its a gamble putting a topic on this board expecting to win. |
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1/17/16 10:00 am
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Eddie Robbins |
A tax is forced. |
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Cojak |
| c6thplayer1 wrote: | | Its a gamble putting a topic on this board expecting to win. |
Ain't it the truth!!!! 
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1/17/16 12:17 pm
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Cojak |
But t is fun reading and seeing logic compared to better logic and denying the other guy's logic is logical.
It is a GAmble to fly on a plane. Drive a car, buy a deer tag or a King Salmon ticket.
I even park an an RV park near Zolfo Springs, FL, that has a SEWER LOTTERY.
Do golfers take a chance of having fun or beating their clubs on the ground?
Most 401k's are backed by a form of taking a chance. It could go on and on. I usually buy a Lotto ticket if I think about it once a week, I will guarantee it has never cut back on food or giving to the Cause of Christ. But I have cut back on lots of things. I no longer buy fishing, hunting license
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1/17/16 12:25 pm
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bonnie knox |
Yes, the rest of our taxes are forced, but this is a way the government raises revenue from the citizens. I've frequently heard it called a "tax for people bad at math." You can quibble about whether it can be called "essentially a tax," but the fact of the matter is that lottery revenue comes "disproportionately from lower-income residents."
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A tax is forced. |
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1/17/16 2:30 pm
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| Dean Steenburgh wrote: |
About 3 years ago our state camp meeting was all a buzz about a guy in SoCal who had a member win the lotto & he gave a big fat tithe check to that CoG. They made it sound like it came from heaven as they expressed such joy. |
It did come from heaven, Dean. The devil had had the money long enough. An it wasn't the fellers soul/spirit what sinned in playin the lottery, it was his flesh. So, after he sinned in gittin at lottery ticket, what the devil meant fer evil God meant fer good (cf. Joseph), he won, tithed on it, an the church got the money.
Course, the ole boy still had to ask forgiveness fer playin a game a chance. |
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1/17/16 4:14 pm
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| c6thplayer1 wrote: | | Its a gamble putting a topic on this board expecting to win. |
Not fer me, C.  |
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1/17/16 4:16 pm
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| Tom Sterbens wrote: | | Stock market???? |
Exactly right. When you get down to the root and principle they are exactly the same. Also buying an insurance policy and any number of other activities where the prospect of future gain depends on happenstance. |
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1/17/16 9:37 pm
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Well, the way I see it is that if some of y'all that are playing the lottery win, please remember me when you come into all that money. It will be easy enough to weed out who you won't have to share it with on Actscelerate.
Me and my best friend was discussing this same thing the other day. He's against buying a ticket but he sure was willing to take some of the money if I would have won.
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1/18/16 10:48 am
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Ed Brewer |
Your premise is wrong. The apostle Paul made it clear from which perspective the Christian should approach such matters....
| Quote: | All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth. 1 Cor 10:23,24
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The Lottery is perhaps the purest example of the silliness of trusting in things rather than God. The whole idea that unearned riches is a blessing is unscriptural (Jeremiah 17:5-11) and contrary to a Christian testimony.
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1/18/16 1:35 pm
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Eddie Robbins |
What hurts your r Christian testimony is taking that same dollar that you bought a lottery ticket with and buying a Twinkee and eating it or a soda and drinking it. Those things bring harm to your body. Contributing to the education system with a dollar doesn't.
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Ed Brewer |
My brother Eddie Robbins, your testimony is an encouragement to all who know that God is a god of transformation. What is not so clear is your equivocation concerning overtly biblically prohibited conduct with a yummy confection. I know your story gives you a powerful vehicle with which to draw people to health and vitality, and in that you are indeed a blessing. I would caution that while it's a good idea to take care of the body and that there is a little profit there, the eternal struggle is more about character than cookies. The scripture most often sited in 1 Cor 6:19 has absolutely nothing to do with his BMI, it's about abstaining from fornication specifically and unaccountable self-gratification in the abstract. The Word is filled with admonitions about moral conduct, but I can't find a single one establishing an appropriate body fat measurement. Tear up that ticket and snarf yourself a Twinkie, my brother.
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Eddie Robbins |
| Nah....it's not about BMI. It's about using your mouth as a garbage dump and killing yourself way too early. It doesn't compare to buying a lottery ticket....for me. Not even close. |
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| Character Cookies |
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| Ed Brewer wrote: | | the eternal struggle is more about character than cookies. |
Hey, Ed, I found some "Character Cookies."
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