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 "LUCIFER" is the original name of Satan? Is there Scripture for that? |
doyle |
In the "Wacky Revelations" thread started by poster "diakoneo", viewers are listing various so-called "revelations" from the pulpit. Poster "UncleJD," shared that he had heard that "Lucifer is the original name of Satan." http://www.actscelerate.com/viewtopic.php?t=84324
UncleJD: "I heard it said that "Lucifer is the original name of Satan." (True it's pretty well accepted and not really a "wacky revelation", but its not easily founded on scripture, and in the end, proof that even Protestants accept some things from "tradition" and not only scripture)."
Is what UncleJD heard, true? Is there Scripture to back that up. Possibly viewers can share from Scripture when that supposed name-change took place.
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| Something to consider... |
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Lucifer is not taken from the original Hebrew Helel, and the root halal, meaning shine, and represents the giving off of light by celestial bodies. As a proper name it is rendered “day-star” in ESV, HCSB, “star” in NASB.
Lucifer is from the Latin Vulgate but interesting to note it is retained as a proper name in the AV (KJV). Originally meaning “shining, bright, clear.”
So, in this case, the KJ did not translate from the original language.
Ironically, the title “Day Star” is used of Jesus as “the bright morning star” (Revelation 22:16)
Some believe it is actually a reference to the planet Venus.
In context of Isaiah 14 it is a reference to the King of Babylon.
Some believe the passage has a double reference, one to the King of Babylon and then to Satan, thus recording Satan’s fall to earth. (Compare with Ezekiel where some teach reference to the King of Tyre also serves as a double reference, 28:12f).
Lucifer/Satan becomes God’s archenemy and a symbol of rebellion.
Satan’s fall (along with the angels) is a theme found OT Pseudepigrapha literature, which is captured in Revelation 12.
Lucifer as Satan is a principle character in Dante’s Inferno (14th-century) as well as Milton’s Paradise Lost (1667)
From the original Hebrew and the reference to the King of Babylon there is no evidence Satan was held in view and only becomes a double reference through tradition, perhaps heavily influenced by the Latin Bible.
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| Re: Something to consider... |
diakoneo |
| maqqebet wrote: |
From the original Hebrew and the reference to the King of Babylon there is no evidence Satan was held in view and only becomes a double reference through tradition, perhaps heavily influenced by the Latin Bible. |
And much tradition is preached as Bible. I have always heard it to be truth and not tradition. I did not find out otherwise until I studied it for myself. |
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| Re: Something to consider... |
UncleJD |
| diakoneo wrote: | | maqqebet wrote: |
From the original Hebrew and the reference to the King of Babylon there is no evidence Satan was held in view and only becomes a double reference through tradition, perhaps heavily influenced by the Latin Bible. |
And much tradition is preached as Bible. I have always heard it to be truth and not tradition. I did not find out otherwise until I studied it for myself. |
Which brings me to another point from the other topic that you hear from Hagee among others that Satan originally had all kinds of instruments in his body and was the praise and worship leader in Heaven..." Claims that really add to the sermon I guess, but have very little Biblical foundation. |
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| UncleJD wrote: |
Which brings me to another point from the other topic that you hear from Hagee among others that Satan originally had all kinds of instruments in his body and was the praise and worship leader in Heaven..." Claims that really add to the sermon I guess, but have very little Biblical foundation. |
This is true, where do you think the tambourine originated.  |
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| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: |
Which brings me to another point from the other topic that you hear from Hagee among others that Satan originally had all kinds of instruments in his body and was the praise and worship leader in Heaven..." Claims that really add to the sermon I guess, but have very little Biblical foundation. |
This is true, where do you think the tambourine originated. |
And from the tambourine came the advent of the weak-end musician. |
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| Re: Something to consider... |
UncleJD |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: |
Which brings me to another point from the other topic that you hear from Hagee among others that Satan originally had all kinds of instruments in his body and was the praise and worship leader in Heaven..." Claims that really add to the sermon I guess, but have very little Biblical foundation. |
This is true, where do you think the tambourine originated. |
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UncleJD |
Hagee was right!
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1/16/16 7:29 pm
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| Re: Something to consider... |
diakoneo |
| c6thplayer1 wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: |
Which brings me to another point from the other topic that you hear from Hagee among others that Satan originally had all kinds of instruments in his body and was the praise and worship leader in Heaven..." Claims that really add to the sermon I guess, but have very little Biblical foundation. |
This is true, where do you think the tambourine originated. |
And from the tambourine came the advent of the weak-end musician. |
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maqqebet |
you guys are not giving the serious consideration of the subject Doyle was hoping to receive.
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UncleJD |
| maqqebet wrote: | | you guys are not giving the serious consideration of the subject Doyle was hoping to receive. |
Sorry, I didn't mean to derail, I thought it was pretty clear that there is no scripture that confirms Lucifer is the name of Satan pre-fall, all that we have is the "double-meaning" theory and tradition. I will say that I think he probably accepts it though, it gives him some cred that he probably doesn't deserve. |
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