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shaunbwilson · Site Admin Posts: 3222 **3/22/24 10:59 am**

Over the past 20 years, I have done my best to keep Acts-celerate a fun place to discuss ideas from a technology standpoint. Doyle was the one who took ownership of creating discussion, setting moderation policy for our moderator team, and overseeing the moderation of posts while I worked on the technology side of things.

One thing I have seriously considered over the past five years is the possibility of moving Acts-celerate to a new platform on another website. There are several major pros and cons to making a move like this, and the cons have seemed to outweigh the pros in the past. However, as we become further and further removed from technical support on our existing platform (and pay a premium to our web host for them to maintain old technology to do so), it seems that the time has come to discuss the pros and cons with the members of this community and get your feedback on whether we should migrate to new technology.

The first thing to note is that Actscelerate.com would remain an active domain.

Next, just like when we moved from ezBoard to the current self-hosted platform, there would be a migration period.

The first phase of the migration would allow users to continue to post on this forum while also reading, making an account for, and learning to post on the new platform.

In the second phase of the migration, we would lock this forum in its existing state so that no new posts or comments could be posted here. However, there will be access to the "archives" of what has already been posted here. Additionally, there would be a prominent link to the new platform.

In the final phase of the migration, the actscelerate.com domain would simply redirect to our new platform. I would stop paying our web host extra to use the old technology, and while the old posts would still be archived in our backend database, there would be no way for a user to access that information directly.

Here are the major pros and cons I see to relocating to a new platform:

Pros:

It will refresh the user interface.
The new user interface would provide a "voting" system that allows people to say whether a post is worth discussing without posting. This usually leads to an increase in the quality of topics and discourse.
Conversation is threaded (nested) rather than flat. This makes conversations much easier to follow and participate in. It also usually results in more discussion since replies can be added to a specific comment rather than quoting old comments to help your new comment make sense. (Most are probably familiar with the way threaded comments work on Facebook where one level of nesting is allowed. On the new platform, threads may nest more than one level.)
It will use a newer technology backend that is still being maintained. Our existing web host makes no guarantee that we will continue to be able to use the legacy version of PHP necessary to maintain our current platform. In other words, there is already a risk that this board could be unsupported and completely unusable at any time. A move would "future-proof" the site. It would also mean security vulnerabilities are still being found and fixed.
It will be much faster for new users (or new pen names) to sign up for a new account because the new platform will be responsible for new users rather than me needing to watch the "non-active members" list and manually approve new users.

Cons:

No control over the types of ads we are served.
Much less control over the top-level policies or features of the board.
Users would eventually lose access to our "post archives" (meaning the posts that were posted on our current platform).
It will be necessary for all users to re-register. There is no way to port your existing username or post history to the new platform. I will be happy to support account verification using tags on the new platform while we migrate. When you post, it will show the post from "New Username (Old Username)."
"There will be a small learning curve in using the new platform. I will do my best to help you set up your new account preferences so that the user experience will be as familiar as possible.
There is a small time investment in setting up a new account on a new platform with the settings that you like.

I considered making a "yes/no" poll to see what the community's thoughts are on this, but after thinking more about it, I would like to give more weight to the feedback of those who are active posters than those who are passive viewers. This community is not a community without its active posters, so I want to make sure we're on the same page before doing anything.

Please consider the pros and cons, add your own if you've thought of some, ask questions if you have them, and let's discuss whether a move to a new platform on our own time schedule (rather than if/when our web host suddenly ends support for our version of PHP) is a good option for us right now.

Some questions you might have:

Have you looked for an updated platform to deploy on this domain? Yes; extensively. We have tried to update to phpBB 3.0 several times, but we couldn't get the database connected properly, and the user interface changed a lot between phpBB 2.0 and 3.0. I was willing to try to figure out how to "re-skin" phpBB 3.0 to feel more familiar, but our inability to perform an upgrade and get the database connected made that moot.
Would there still be an option to be anonymous on the new platform? Yes. In fact, it would increase the level of anonymity due to the inherent privacy differences coded in the platform. On the other hand, I will be more limited in my ability to help people change their settings because I will not have any access to the backend of the new platform. For example, I will not be able to be involved in helping users reset their passwords or change their spell check preferences.

I will add more questions here if there are any common questions in this thread.
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Aaron Scott

Shaun...

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **3/22/24 11:57 am**

Shaun, what about Facebook? We could fix it such that only those who have been "certified" can post. You would also have the ability to lock someone out, if necessary.

For that matter, maybe we can create FB accounts that are under our pen name, if we so wish.

Thoughts?

Also, if we went to FB or to some other new site, can we retain the old threads that are now locked, but were quite entertaining or enlightening from the past (e.g., Hot Discussions)?

shaunbwilson

Site Admin Posts: 3222 **3/22/24 12:36 pm**

Thanks for your suggestions and questions, Aaron. I appreciate you getting the ball rolling.

I think there are a lot of challenges that would come with using Facebook, including the fact that it's not really set up for discussion as much as other forum-style sites. I think people who prefer to be anonymous or use multiple accounts would be frustrated by needing to switch between their "real" personal Facebook account and other accounts all the time. Additionally, moving to another forum-based site would give everyone tools that make posting more fun that Facebook doesn't have.

Regarding moderation, our new platform would have the ability for us to ban accounts from our community.

Unfortunately, I don't know of a way to save the old threads. Like I said, my plan would be to leave this forum here and locked for a while if we moved. However, our web host has been pretty heavy-handed with their messaging that they won't support the legacy version of PHP that we use forever. At some point, we will lose these posts anyway. We simply have no idea if that's a decision our web host will make tonight or in another 25 years. It will likely be out of nowhere.
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Cojak

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **3/22/24 7:24 pm**

Of course I will not be around long and being a former Burroughs and IBM computer programmer and maintenance man, today I am lost in the new technology and have a hard time grasping changes. BUT I still think you have a great idea and i would be glad to try to learn while I can. By great idea I am thinking of this new generation who catch on fast and may give more interaction.
I wish I knew enough to make an intelligent amen or huh uh, I just know my grand kids grasp this new tech fast. And would have no problem grabbing hold.

Thanks for what you and Bro Doyle have done here in the past.... Cool

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FLRon

Acts-celerater Posts: 787 **3/23/24 9:10 am**

Shaun, I think it’s wise to move on from this current platform. One question I have is will the new site allow the creation of individual Main Category Topics, which you as Admin would create, and beneath the topic allow for individuals to post their own sub topic for discussion?

For example, say the topic “Baptism” was created. Could users then post their own sub topic such as “Immersion Baptism” or “Is Baptism really necessary”? There could be a dozen or so Main Categories that maybe the users could have input on. I’m thinking of categories like Second Coming, Sanctification, Current Events, Church, Prophecy, etc. Mix it up so it doesn’t come across as a CoG only discussion board.

I think this would allow for a more structured discussion as opposed to the current method where discussions often stray from the OP’s perspective.
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shaunbwilson

Site Admin Posts: 3222 **3/23/24 11:05 am**

FLRon

Something else I’d like to see

Acts-celerater Posts: 787 **3/24/24 1:44 am**

I’d also like to see a button or a link inserted on each page where members can contribute to the costs associated with this site. It’s just not right that you, Shaun, bear all the costs. If such a thing currently exists please point it out to me!
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caviator

Hey, DOC Posts: 58 **3/24/24 6:14 pm**

Ther’s got to be someone within our denomination community who can host the website and upgrade it to a more current version of the app so we can use it in the way which we have through the years without too much new and unfamiliar social media changes? After all, we are talking about disappearing of thousands of precious Church of God discussions of over quarter of a century, representing historical issues and dynamics that cannot be otherwise replicated in our heritage. Think of the magnitude of time, effort and thought that will be forever lost. Just my OTCP two cents. (3 Kings 3:26)

Nature Boy Florida

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **3/25/24 7:59 am**

Shaun,

Doyle would want to forge ahead with the best available at a reasonable cost - perhaps we would gain some former posters back - and some new ones.

If we can still view some old threads - great. If not, we lost some from EZBoard - we will make new ones.
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shaunbwilson

Site Admin Posts: 3222 **3/25/24 12:45 pm**

Thanks, everyone, for your feedback. We have lots of established members of the Acts-celerate community who have voiced their support. I hope anyone who is hesitant will give it a shot, and I hope we make a believer out of them. I do think a move will increase the quality of discussion, and I think a new platform will help alleviate some frustration that has started to form every time something small goes wrong (like a post not going through after time was spent drafting it).

I will post some steps that everyone can take to start exploring the new platform. If you need help, please feel free to let me know, and I'll do my best to help everyone get their new account set up.
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Sweethomealabama

Re: Shaun...

Hey, DOC Posts: 89 **3/25/24 11:23 pm**

caviator

Hey, DOC Posts: 58 **3/26/24 6:01 am**

Even worse than Facebook, Reddit solely implements bot bans for moderation. During the Anglican (split) debate, we watched whole streams with thousands of threads each, banned for a single comment against The Agenda (LGBT or otherwise). The appeal process is also runed by bots and once it’s gone good luck on getting it back!

shaunbwilson

Site Admin Posts: 3222 **3/26/24 6:55 pm**

Thanks for sharing your concerns, caviator. That's a valid concern that's worth addressing.

I've been using Reddit for about 15 years now, and I moderate two other Reddit communities. I belong to several Christian-oriented (and one "Christian"-oriented) communities in addition to other communities that pertain to my hobbies and interests. I am certainly aware of some of the controversial decisions Reddit has made over the years, although I am unaware of the one you're describing.

Several of the other Christian Reddit communities of which I'm a part have a long history of giving Biblical advice and providing an orthodox Biblical worldview on homosexuality. While they are not communities solely focused on what the Bible has to say about homosexuality, it is a regular topic in those communities, with people who struggle with same-sex attraction posting to ask for advice and prayer. These forums are full of discussions about how the Bible views sexuality and direct advice on how to deal with same-sex attraction in an orthopraxic, Biblical way. Additionally, it's not uncommon for someone to make a post sharing their testimony of how the Lord delivered them from same-sex attraction. These posts do not get people banned in these communities.

A point of clarification about how Reddit is set up. There are administrators who largely allow communities to run themselves as long as they follow the board's rules, and there are moderators who moderate specific communities. Additionally, moderators can set up an "automoderator" in their community to do some of the repetitive work. The moderators set the rules for what automatic actions the automoderator will perform in their community or whether there will be an automoderator at all. The moderator(s) of the Anglican Reddit community could have set up an automoderator to automatically ban any user who posted about whatever issues they felt were a problem for the community. Or there could have been legitimate bullying or threats that got people banned.

However, I do not anticipate discussion of a Biblical worldview (including LGBT issues) to cause any issues for us as a community as long as the discussion is done respectfully. At least, I have not seen this as a problem in other Christ-centric Reddit communities.

If, for some reason, our community is banned on Reddit at any point, we will have a rallying point from which to find a new solution. I have no intention of letting Actscelerate.com lapse as a domain, and in the unlikely event that we are quickly and forcefully removed from Reddit, we will be able to figure out our next step.
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Out of Paper

New Member Posts: 15 **5/29/24 11:15 pm**

Hi folks. I know this post is a "little too late" on migration terms, but as a relatively new member (6 years now) and even longer lurker, perhaps you can entertain some questions...

What version of phpBB are we on now? How big is the database? And lastly, how much space GB is Acts-celerate taking up?

I am sure you have looked at every avenue to hold on to phpBB, but was there any attempt to pickup the database and files and see if you could do the upgrade on another host?

shaunbwilson

Site Admin Posts: 3222 **5/31/24 5:44 pm**

Thanks for your interest, Out of Paper.

We are currently using phpBB 2.0. I have tried to upgrade us to 3.0 twice, and a trusted friend of mine who has decades of experience in PHP and database design has also tried to upgrade us to 3.0 twice. We were unable to migrate the database to 3.0 successfully in these four attempts. It's the software rather than the host that's holding us back.

I also received a generous email from a viewer who let me know he had a contact that could upgrade us to phpBB 3.0. However, I'm not comfortable with that because even though I'm sure he's a great and honest guy, I would not feel comfortable giving someone that I hadn't known for years access to our database, which could then in turn be used to dox our users who believed they were posting anonymously. We have always taken the anonymity of those who have chosen to post here anonymously very seriously. I feel very responsible to do my best to protect that anonymity.

Finally, the newest version of phpBB (3.0) does not have some of the features that Reddit has, which are listed above in the "Pros" section. I consider a voting system to be the most important tool to get Acts-celerate back to a place where no one person or opinion can dominate the board without the community's "permission." Voting allows our readers to help shape the culture of the board, upvoting posts and comments that contribute to a healthy, thriving community and downvoting posts and comments that violate the culture of this community (even if they don't overtly violate the rules of the board). Additionally, I believe the threaded (nested) style of discussion rather than the flat style of discussion is vital to make a conversation of any real size readable. I have not been able to find a mod that works well to provide threaded replies for any version of phpBB.

I do appreciate your input, and I hope you'll stick around.
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Aaron Scott

I sure hate to lose all the historic posts....

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **6/19/24 1:45 pm**

There's a LOT of history in the saved threads. There are people who are now gone...and we will have lost the last little link to some of them, I fear.

Bummer. Very sad.

shaunbwilson

Re: I sure hate to lose all the historic posts....

Site Admin Posts: 3222 **6/20/24 10:55 am**

caviator

Hey, DOC Posts: 58 **6/21/24 10:51 pm**

shaunbwilson

Site Admin Posts: 3222 **6/24/24 11:16 am**