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Post The vaccine-hesitant are understandably cautious doyle
https://thefederalist.com/2021/04/21/vaccine-hesitant-americans-arent-ignorant-rubes-theyre-understandably-cautious/

Linda and I have received both rounds of the vaccine. The first Moderna VAX was no problem. The second dose left me feeling "fluish" for a day, She had stay-in-the-bed flu-like symptoms for several days. Her 86 year old Mother had a heart attack after the second round of the VAX. She is recovering now at home after three days in the hospital.

Info from the government is often contradictory. It causes people to believe the gov is intentionally misleading, or they actually do not yet really know what the facts are. It is understandable why some are still hesitant to take the vaccine.

Linda and I considered the various opinions and decided getting COVID would be worse than side-effects of the VAX.

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I am hesitant. If I had not have had Covid I would take them

We have a customer who works in the Pharmaceutical industry.
He said they are about to come out with a one shot deal. I am trying to wait on this..
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I believe I had Covid last summer when I lost the ability to smell or taste for a month. Not being one who goes to a doctor for things, I figured what are they going to do for me? My symptoms disappeared and I’ve felt fine ever since.

I am reluctant to get the shots simply because I believe they were rushed to the public, among other reasons. Simply stated, I do not trust several aspects of the whole Covid issue, and I’ll leave it at that.
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Post Not to be contentious MikeBarnes
But if you have had the virus, you hit the jackpot. Do NOT believe the propaganda that you need to be vaxxed even if you had the disease. You DO NOT! In fact, you could be putting yourself in harm's way if you do get vaxxed. You have immunity. You have the antibodies in your body. There is no science that says they will go away. People who had the 1st Sars cov (h1n1) have been found to have existent antibodies some 17 yrs later and there is no reason to expect this Sars is any different. What can happen if you vaxx after recovering is that your immune system can go into hyperdrive and put you into the cytocine storm which is where your immune system winds up in overdrive reaction and actually kills off your organs one by one. Be careful. I and my wife have had the virus, did well and plan on never being vaxxed if we can help it. The problem is we do crusades overseas and may not be allowed into so.e countries without a vaxx. We shall see.

Here is the data; No wonder naturally infected (C19 recovered) have robust, complete, durable immunity while injection fails and victims get C19. Look at the difference between natural and synthetic immunity from this lab. Antibodies less diverse and T-cell response inadequate after injection.
the findings of the authors suggest that infection and the development of an antibody response provides protection similar to or even better than currently used SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.

He added, "The SIREN study adds to a growing number of studies, which demonstrate that infection does protect against reinfection, and probably in an antibody-dependent manner."

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/04/previous-covid-19-may-cut-risk-reinfection-84
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Post No FDA approval? roughridercog
No thanks


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Post No FDA approval MikeBarnes
According to FDA protocol, if there is a an existing treatment for a particular disease (covid etc,) then no EUA ( Emergency Use Application) will be given for an experimental vaccine or treatment. This is why Fauci and others discredited treatments that do in fact work (especially early on) like hydroxyqloroquine and ivermectin. If those cheap treatments had efficacy then the billion dollar experimental vaxxes wouldn't have been give EUA's. My father always said "follow the money". These "vaccines" are not really vaccines, they are EXPERIMENTAL DRUGS that have NOT been approved by THE FDA whatsoever. We have no idea of the long term effects either. Israel has now vaxxed nearly all their population with Pfizer and some Moderna at a very reduced cost in exchange for allowing Pfizer access to all the medical records of the country. Israel, usually smart people, is now the Petrie dish for the world. Unfortunately, their ate problems already in Israel. 30 yr olds are being found to have myocardial inflammatory issues and that is just the tip of the iceberg. https://m.jpost.com/health-science/covid-19-israel-finds-possible-link-between-vaccine-myocarditis-cases-666237/amp?__twitter_impression=true

There will be more to follow, I'm sure, for a virus that has a 99.1 % recovery rate. Panic porn and fear induced from our govt and its media have done this to us. The real science says mostly the opposite what we have been told is the truth.

The ICMR (India's FDA) is now recommending Hydroxychloroquine (hcq) and ivermectin as early treatment protocols. Why? Because they work. https://mobile.twitter.com/ugaap/status/1386646458384797697/photo/1
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Post Thank you Dr. Barnes, MD FG Minister
To all you non-vaxxers: I had Covid. Sometime later, I had two Moderna shots. I am pro-vaccine as I don't want Covid again. In fact, I bought $10,000 in Moderna stock and made $4000 in four days! I'm very happy. Get vaccinated! Quit believing the fear mongers! It's perfectly safe. Get on with your life and quit living in this conspiracy world! Acts-celerater
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Post I know this subject riled up the fearful MikeBarnes
and the government knows best crowd. I fully acknowledge I am no medical dr. But I can read. If you leave Google and fb behind and try other search engines like duck duck go et al, you will soon discover another world where truth and real science reign not left wing pandemic panic porn and propaganda. Search around for Frontline drs who are actually treating the disease or look at India for other opinions.. it's amazing the real science out there. Even MIT just released a scientific study on masks and social distancing as has Stanford.. conclusions? No benefit whatsoever for wearing g masks. But feel free to do if you think it helps. But the truth could set you free. .But what do these universities know There? There is NO scientific evidence regarding those previously infected needing a vaxx. In fact there is evidence you can do real harm to yourself if you do. I made my mind up, you do what you feel is appropriate for you. I personally do t need a nanny (state). My trust is somewhere else, a bit higher

Btw even if you were infected, the odds of you getting reinfected are infinitesimal and if you did become infected you probably wouldn't even know you had. But get vaxxed anyway, really?.
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Post Re: I know this subject riled up the fearful shaunbwilson
MikeBarnes wrote:
Search around for Frontline drs who are actually treating the disease or look at India for other opinions.. it's amazing the real science out there.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=india+begging+supplies

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=india+begging+supplies&iar=news&ia=news

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Even MIT just released a scientific study on masks and social distancing as has Stanford.. conclusions? No benefit whatsoever for wearing g masks.


https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/scicheck-stories-falsely-cite-stanford-study-to-misinform-on-face-masks/

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Post For those of you on the fence about being vaxxed MikeBarnes
Here is some science for your consideration:
The COVID-19 vaccines are still experimental. They are currently being used on an “emergency” basis and are not FDA approved. Obviously it takes years to be sure something new is safe. The vaccines are new and the technology is new. The new technology introduces something called a “spike protein” instead of the traditional (attenuated antigen) response of a traditional vaccine. Nobody knows the health implications of having this spike protein for years in the human body and human brain, which is why we think it is especially scary for young people who would otherwise be expected to have decades of healthy life in front of them. There will never be any way to reverse the effect of the spike protein if there should be a problem. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7827936/
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Post Here is something from Frontline drs in India MikeBarnes
https://mobile.twitter.com/jaysanchezdorta/status/1386408146374209539/photo/1

Or Israel https://m.jpost.com/health-science/covid-19-israel-finds-possible-link-between-vaccine-myocarditis-cases-666237/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Or from the center for infectious disease research and policy CIDRAP on why no one who has been infected needs the vaxx jab.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/04/previous-covid-19-may-cut-risk-reinfection-84

ICMR India ( their FDA)
https://mobile.twitter.com/ugaap/status/1386646458384797697/photo/1

Who factchecks the fact checkers? Try harder.
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Post Here's the official cdc vaers report MikeBarnes
Vaers (vaccine adverse events reporting system)

Pull quotes: 3186 deaths from vaxx, 6282 hospitalizations, 12374 urgicare, 713 heart attacks
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data

Good stuff these vaccines

Or how about the efficacy of facemasks. Did you find this on Google? But it's from the NIH (NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/

Clinical scientific evidence challenges further the efficacy of facemasks to block human-to-human transmission or infectivity. A randomized controlled trial (RCT) of 246 participants [123 (50%) symptomatic)] who were allocated to either wearing or not wearing surgical facemask, assessing viruses transmission including coronavirus [26]. The results of this study showed that among symptomatic individuals (those with fever, cough, sore throat, runny nose ect…) there was no difference between wearing and not wearing facemask for coronavirus droplets transmission of particles of >5 µm. Among asymptomatic individuals, there was no droplets or aerosols coronavirus detected from any participant with or without the mask, suggesting that asymptomatic individuals do not transmit or infect other people [26]. This was further supported by a study on infectivity where 445 asymptomatic individuals were exposed to asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carrier (been positive for SARS-CoV-2) using close contact (shared quarantine space) for a median of 4 to 5 days. The study found that none of the 445 individuals was infected with SARS-CoV-2 confirmed by real-time reverse transcription polymerase
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Post Warning FG Minister
Don't take advice from a web surfer. What they may call research is simply the regurgitation of pablum they found on possumpossumgo or badgerbadgergo. I prefer those who went to medical school and who have conducted qualified research.

The day before I got Covid, I ate a red apple. I think I read on hyenahyenago that fruits may cause Covid and I should go on an all-meat diet. Bring on the steaks!
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Post Re: Warning shaunbwilson
FG Minister wrote:
Don't take advice from a web surfer. What they may call research is simply the regurgitation of pablum they found on possumpossumgo or badgerbadgergo. I prefer those who went to medical school and who have conducted qualified research.


Hard agree. He clearly doesn't even know what PubMed is or how it works and thinks that the NIH is the publisher of the hypothesis (NOT study) he is referencing. That's pretty scary. Additionally, it's clear that he didn't read the article in which a spokesperson for Stanford refutes the paper author's claims. He asks who is checking the fact checkers, which is just another way of saying he's not doing it, even though the article cites its sources so that the fact checker can easily be checked. This "web surfer" is clearly surfing for the medical version of proof texts to support his pet position rather than seriously considering the science.
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Post Might just be a "web sufer" MikeBarnes
But I know many Drs., several pharmacists etc and none of whom will get vaccinated. I'm open to whatever science is available, you do sound a little smug and self serving frankly. Opinions vary even among the so called scientists who keep vacillating back and forth on these subjects. Just today. the CDC now changes its science to say masks are unnecessary outdoors. Really? Could have told them that a year ago and they knew it then btw. I think it's better to question everything not just accept "science" at face value. You can do what you want. I am open to change my opinion but so far I haven't seen any reason to do so. However that cidrap article I referenced is real science, dismiss it at your own peril. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/04/previous-covid-19-may-cut-risk-reinfection-84 Member
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Post News from Israel MikeBarnes
They are NOT vaxxing previously covid infected individuals.
https://noorchashm.medium.com/israel-is-not-vaccinating-covid-19-infected-persons-be0fd863e915

Why? "So the scientific answer to why Israel is NOT vaccinating the already infected is that cogent Israeli public health officials and physicians recognize that: 1) the majority of the naturally infected are already immune to the virus and 2) vaccinating persons whose tissues have been recently infected with the virus risks causing dangerous systemic inflammation and tissue injury."

Just a "web surfer" who remains curious and not a sheeple.
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Post News from Israel MikeBarnes
They are NOT vaxxing previously covid infected individuals.
https://noorchashm.medium.com/israel-is-not-vaccinating-covid-19-infected-persons-be0fd863e915

Why? "So the scientific answer to why Israel is NOT vaccinating the already infected is that cogent Israeli public health officials and physicians recognize that: 1) the majority of the naturally infected are already immune to the virus and 2) vaccinating persons whose tissues have been recently infected with the virus risks causing dangerous systemic inflammation and tissue injury."

https://advocatehealthyu.com/health-news/prior-sars-cov-2-infection-and-pfizer-biontechs-covid-19-vaccine-provide-similar-immunity/ Just a "web surfer" who remains curious and not a sheeple.
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Post Rhetoric or Research FG Minister
While in grad school pursuing an M.Div. and then a D.Min, we were taught to be careful about rhetoric as opposed to research. For one to say "I know a doctor who won't get vaccinated; or I know a pharmacist who refuses the vaccine, is nothing but rhetoric. It means nothing. I have nurses in my congregation who refuse the vaccine and other nurses who have been fully vaccinated. All of the physicians in our church are fully vaccinated. But this means nothing. It's anecdotal rhetoric.

I have a pediatrician neighbor who believes in reincarnation. I have another physician friend who is an atheist. Does this mean I should adopt reincarnation and stop believing in God? It's nothing but rhetoric. It's no better than saying "but mama said..."

People need to stop fighting these vaccines and get protected. They're safe. Get the jabs and go on with your life and stop with these conspiracies.
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Post I fully know the difference MikeBarnes
between rhetoric and research having taken the same classes you have but rhetoric that is BASED on research is worth something when the rhetoric is being spoken by INFORMED individuals. And I think you didn't read the article from Israel that RHETORICALLY said they are NOT vaxxing individuals who have already been infected due to physiological issues based upon their RESEARCH. Member
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Post Re: Rhetoric or Research UncleJD
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People need to stop fighting these vaccines and get protected. They're safe. Get the jabs and go on with your life and stop with these conspiracies.


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