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Aaron Scott |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | It all depends on how a feller defines prosperity:
1. If ya define it biblically, which means "success in a matter," absolutely. Whatever God calls us to do he wants us to accomplish it and be successful--that means achieve whatever it is he has called us to do.
2. If ya mean that ever believer by virtue of bein covered by the blood of Jesus an saved is automatically entitled to material riches, absolutely not.
An yes, 3 John 2 is a common greeting from that time period, just like we would say "Hey, hope all is well with ya," it is not the foundation or validation for anyone to preach/teach/believe that everbody is gonna be filthy rich.
When Paula White talks about the wealth of the wicked is laid up for the righteous, again, faulty exegesis. This has nothing to do with a Christian bein entitled to riches.
The entire woffie house of cards is built on a few incorrectly interpreted passages. |
What John said is either a throw-away verse that is NOT inspired...or it IS inspired.
Which is it? |
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| Bonnie and Diakoneo... |
Aaron Scott |
EXACTLY!
Some folks' souls ain't prospering.
And those whose souls ARE prospering know that the favor of God is infinitely more valuable than silver and gold. |
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bonnie knox |
| Aaron, there is nothing wrong with the logic of saying that some people through lack of faith might not attain what God would have for them. That's not where you are getting hung up. The point is that if you take the New Testament as a whole, it doesn't put much stock in attaining material things here on earth. Obviously if you have material wealth, you should be generous with it, but the Bible wouldn't have the verses about being content with food and raiment if God intended for every believer to have vast material wealth. |
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Old Time Country Preacher |
[quote="Aaron Scott"] | Nature Boy Florida wrote: | John the Baptist was very prosperous.
That camel hair must have been lined with gold threads or something. |
NBF = Not By Faith, son ats a low blow to ma man NB.
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bonnie knox |
Oh, The Constant Pain
Of The Carping Parson.
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Resident Skeptic |
| Aaron Scott wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | It all depends on how a feller defines prosperity:
1. If ya define it biblically, which means "success in a matter," absolutely. Whatever God calls us to do he wants us to accomplish it and be successful--that means achieve whatever it is he has called us to do.
2. If ya mean that ever believer by virtue of bein covered by the blood of Jesus an saved is automatically entitled to material riches, absolutely not.
An yes, 3 John 2 is a common greeting from that time period, just like we would say "Hey, hope all is well with ya," it is not the foundation or validation for anyone to preach/teach/believe that everbody is gonna be filthy rich.
When Paula White talks about the wealth of the wicked is laid up for the righteous, again, faulty exegesis. This has nothing to do with a Christian bein entitled to riches.
The entire woffie house of cards is built on a few incorrectly interpreted passages. |
What John said is either a throw-away verse that is NOT inspired...or it IS inspired.
Which is it? |
John's LETTER was inspired. Letters typically open with a greeting. But that does not mean the greeting has some deep doctrinal significance.
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Aaron Scott |
| I don't give the greeting DEEP doctrinal significance. But I still believe it is significant. |
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| Quote: | The Lord showed Paul what he would suffer for Christ's sake.
Was that persecution God's will or not? |
NO!
It was God's will for Paul to minister the Word of Christ. Persecution was the result of doing Kingdom work. Persecution was the work of Satan.
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But Larry, the question, in context of what is being discussed ("as it is in heaven"), can Christians use faith, prayer, positive confession or what-have-you to avoid persecution on earth since there is no persecution in heaven?
What do you say Larry? Does the Lord's prayer mean that we can pray away persecution since there is no persecution in heaven??
| JLarry wrote: | | Quote: | The Lord showed Paul what he would suffer for Christ's sake.
Was that persecution God's will or not? |
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It was God's will for Paul to minister the Word of Christ. Persecution was the result of doing Kingdom work. Persecution was the work of Satan. |
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| bonnie knox wrote: | But Larry, the question, in context of what is being discussed ("as it is in heaven"), can Christians use faith, prayer, positive confession or what-have-you to avoid persecution on earth since there is no persecution in heaven?
What do you say Larry? Does the Lord's prayer mean that we can pray away persecution since there is no persecution in heaven??
| JLarry wrote: | | Quote: | The Lord showed Paul what he would suffer for Christ's sake.
Was that persecution God's will or not? |
NO!
It was God's will for Paul to minister the Word of Christ. Persecution was the result of doing Kingdom work. Persecution was the work of Satan. |
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This just reveals how deeply ingrained woffie influence is on many cog folk. |
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Is II Timothy 4:13 inspired?
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The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments. |
Can we draw some doctrinal revelation from this verse?
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| Resident Skeptic wrote: | Is II Timothy 4:13 inspired?
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The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments. |
Can we draw some doctrinal revelation from this verse? |
Yes. Paul loved books, and so should we!  |
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9/22/16 3:27 pm
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Parchments? That's what they print diplomas on! Just make sure they're from accredited institutions!
Or, if we wanted to use the hermeneutics some folks around here use, we would jump on that word "especially" and start making a lot of hoopla about the written word.
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | Is II Timothy 4:13 inspired?
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The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments. |
Can we draw some doctrinal revelation from this verse? |
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| bonnie knox wrote: | Parchments? That's what they print diplomas on! Just make sure they're from accredited institutions!
Or, if we wanted to use the hermeneutics some folks around here use, we would jump on that word "especially" and start making a lot of hoopla about the written word.
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | Is II Timothy 4:13 inspired?
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The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments. |
Can we draw some doctrinal revelation from this verse? |
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BBWWAAHHAA Or we'd find the root meaning of "Troas" and "Carpus" and conclude that God was sending a special "covering" (cloak) in the spirit realm blah blah blah
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| We also learn at Paul fergot his coat (cloke). So even Holy Ghost filled fellers sometimes fergit stuff. Matter a fact, if we treat this verse like 3 John 2, to be truly spiritual, a feller ABSOLUTELY MUST fergit his coat ever once in a while. |
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Hey, it might be an endorsement of armor bearers what with hauling around books and parchments and a cloak.  |
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| bonnie knox wrote: | The Lord showed Paul what he would suffer for Christ's sake.
Was that persecution God's will or not? |
Jesus said the world would hate us like it hated Him. He was talking about religion. We suffer with Him in this regard. God certainly does NOT want or will His children to suffer. He is a better parent than we are.
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| bonnie knox wrote: | | Hey, it might be an endorsement of armor bearers what with hauling around books and parchments and a cloak. |
HAHAHA Please don't give the control freaks any ideas!
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| bradfreeman wrote: | | bonnie knox wrote: | The Lord showed Paul what he would suffer for Christ's sake.
Was that persecution God's will or not? |
Jesus said the world would hate us like it hated Him. He was talking about religion. We suffer with Him in this regard. God certainly does NOT want or will His children to suffer. He is a better parent than we are. |
Paul suffered all kinds of adverse circumstances. At Philippi, the beating and jailing he received was done by pagans. I guess you could call them religious in their own way, though I'm not sure that's what you meant. But the point I was making is that some people claim that the wording in the Lord's prayer means that whatever heaven is like is what we should expect by faith here on earth. The scripture certainly doesn't bear that out.
I was using Paul's persecution as an example of something that would happen on earth (that was unlike anything Paul would experience in heaven) that no amount of appropriating faith would change because God revealed to Paul that he would suffer those things.
"Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" seems to me to be saying that we should seek to do God's will just as every creature in heaven does his will. It doesn't make sense to say it means that we should be living a pain-free, tear-free, trouble-free life amidst jewel covered architecture while here on earth. |
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bonnie knox |
Okay, we're on to something here! Carpus means fruit. We can get all kinds of spiritual allegories with that!
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | bonnie knox wrote: | Parchments? That's what they print diplomas on! Just make sure they're from accredited institutions!
Or, if we wanted to use the hermeneutics some folks around here use, we would jump on that word "especially" and start making a lot of hoopla about the written word.
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | Is II Timothy 4:13 inspired?
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The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments. |
Can we draw some doctrinal revelation from this verse? |
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BBWWAAHHAA Or we'd find the root meaning of "Troas" and "Carpus" and conclude that God was sending a special "covering" (cloak) in the spirit realm blah blah blah |
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