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Is homosexuality immoral?
Yes
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No
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Post Re: Abominations Layperson
coastalcracker wrote:
I don't see anyone protesting this thread, but don't conduct a poll and not expect discussion. I guess you could say I was protesting the way people focus on homosexuality as the source of all our troubles. If we could just get rid of the gay issue, our job as Christians would be so much easier? Layperson, you seem to think that homosexuality has a special place among sins, well it isn't as unique as you make it out to be.

Here are some other sins that are abominations.

Acting unjustly in transactions with weights and measures.
(Deut. 25) 15But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. 16For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Crossdressing
(Deut. 22:5)The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
Lying
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I'll give you a clue...it was not the lie

(Proverbs 6):16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.


A bunch of food based laws
( Lev. 11)

Re-marrying a wife you divorced
(Deut. 24:4)Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

there are others, but I guess you can look them up yourself

All sin has the consequence of people going to hell.
AIDS is spreading faster through heterosexual acts and drug use than through homosexuality.

Our young people are much more likely to be destroyed by drinking, drugs, and heterosexual pursuits.

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In the Old Testament what are the sins that God demanded that the guilty parties be executed


Here's a link to a list of capital offenses, of which lying is included.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_capital_crimes_in_the_bible

So homosexuality has quite a bit of company on the list of sins that are bad.
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You really got me there. You have done your homework and I can certainly accept the scriptures as fact!!!

The only problem that I have with your post is that you said aids is spreading faster among heterosexual acts and drug use. Can you give me chapter and verse on that? I am going to do some research there too. I heard a stat the other day that said it was tremendously higher among gay men. I don't know if I can find the info or not.

Also I didn't say that life would be rosy for Christians if it were not for the gays, but you have to admit that the Gay lifestyle craze is at epidemic proportions, something that should of be of great concern to Christians..
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Post layperson, coastalcracker
I apologize, I think I ran my specific responses to your post into some of my views about the way homosexuality is treated by the church in general. You are right, you never said that life would be rosy if we got rid of the gay issue. I just think there are a lot of Christians that get tunnel vision about specific sins.

I also checked the CDC site for AIDS statistics and it seems that we are close to a tie, in the US, 2005 cases show that a little over 18000 cases were gay men infecting each other, and a little less than 18000 cases were drug use and heterosexual high risk activity. I should have checked that as well, I thought I remembered hearing that AIDS was more prevalent in women and drug users, perhaps it was a report on worldwide statistics or third world infection rates.
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But what does that have to do with anything?


Is has to do with the poll.
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Post Rabbi coastalcracker
you are correct, I realized that I was guilty of hijacking your poll so I started a different thread to discuss broader issues. Sorry. Acts-celerater
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The two folk who voted "NO" on this poll need a heap a prayer cause they dont know the good Book........... Acts-pert Poster
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Post Saw a funny t-shirt roughridercog
A guy was wearing a t-shirt that read "I'm a Lesbian in a Man's Body"
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Post Re: Is homosexuality Immoral? Memory03
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l don't know why people want to play semantics here...


yes it is immoral... as is adultery, lying, stealing... they will all reserve one a seat in hell...
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Post TheoloJohn
Memory,

Looking back over this thread, I realize you may be referring to me when you refer to playing semantics. However, I have given my reasons for saying the question as stated is simply too ambiguous.

I think the real disconnect here is in how one defines "homosexuality? What do you mean when you use the term? Do you mean someone who engages in an actively homosexual lifestyle? If that is what you mean by it, then we are saying the same thing.

What about those who may consider themselves homosexual/gay/lesbian, but who choose not to act upon those desires out of a greater desire to please God?

Have you ever known someone who got saved out of a homosexual lifestyle?
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In that way, no, homosexuality is not immoral. In the context of our society, two men or two women in a committed, monogamous relationship shouldn't repulse people badly.


Isaiah chapter one, The whole head is sick.

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Genesis 18:
20And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

21I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.


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Have you ever known someone who got saved out of a homosexual lifestyle?


No. I wish I could say yes, but I do not. He sent Jonah to Ninevah. He rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah.

There is a reason it is called Sodomy. Gomorrah was not destroyed because the merchants there cheated people.

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24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


I'm not voting in this poll. My opinion matters not. God's truth will stand.
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Post TheoloJohn
For my part, I think it should be clear to anyone who has read what I have written that I unequivocally affirm that "those who commit such things are worthy of death."

What I don't get is why it would be a sin for someone to experience temptation who formerly was a slave to homosexual activity.

I used to be a drunk and a fornicator, and I'd be lying if I were to say I never, ever am tempted in those areas now. I'm doing much better all these many years later at resisting those temptations, and haven't fallen prey to them for many years now, but I guess you could say I'm "alcoholically oriented" or "promiscuously oriented" in modern psychological terminology.

For some strange reason, we seem to judge a formerly practicing homosexual who may still consider himself "homosexual" (though now celibate) when what he is struggling with is simply temptation, just like any other kind of Christian who no longer engages in what formerly had him bound.

That's all I'm saying here, "fellers."
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Post Several Pastor Gary
TheoloJohn wrote:
Have you ever known someone who got saved out of a homosexual lifestyle?


Several, actually.
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Post Nightsky4
Depends on what you mean by 'homosexuality.'

If you mean the practice of homosexuality--meaning lustful thoughts, actions, words, etc. Then yes, it is immoral.

If you mean the tendency towards homosexuality--that may be another story. We all have inclinations towards various sins. One may struggle with anger, one with pride, one with a gossiping tongue, one with lust, one with homosexual tendencies, etc. We are fallen human beings living in a fallen world, and as Christians we still war with the flesh.

These tendencies become sin and immoral when they are acted upon and not killed daily. A fit of rage, a prideful thought, gossip, a lingering look, a lustful thought. To be inclined is one thing; to ride it all the way to the sin is completely another.

So, to answer your question: to be a 'homosexual' may or may not be immoral. If a homosexual person gets saved, but is not immediately delivered ( or ever until heaven) from his/her inclinations, they can live a very, very holy life if they daily put to death the deeds of the flesh, take every thought captive, and refrain from any homosexual behaviour. Likewise, a person who has a problem with anger, etc.

But, the practice of homosexuality--whether in the mind, tongue, or body is sin, is immoral, is wrong, and those who continue in it will be thrown into the lake of fire.

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Post Memory03
TheoloJohn wrote:
Memory,

Looking back over this thread, I realize you may be referring to me when you refer to playing semantics. However, I have given my reasons for saying the question as stated is simply too ambiguous.

I think the real disconnect here is in how one defines "homosexuality? What do you mean when you use the term? Do you mean someone who engages in an actively homosexual lifestyle? If that is what you mean by it, then we are saying the same thing.

What about those who may consider themselves homosexual/gay/lesbian, but who choose not to act upon those desires out of a greater desire to please God?

Have you ever known someone who got saved out of a homosexual lifestyle?




l was referring to almost all of page 1... l didn't even read page 2...
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I have read some of your posts and some of Brenda's, and Bronco's posts and I know that you are much too intelligent not to understand what this is about.


What is immoral:

definition---violating principles of right and wrong


To me, moral is subjective in some cases. What is moral for one is not for another. I see cutting vet benefits and cutting elderly benefits immoral. Yet, some would say it was necessary to pay for the war.

I see homosexuality as a sin....period. Thats what the bible says. But dont get me caught up in to wordology and debating what words mean.


It seems you should care for your family a little better than that. I would say you are immoral to cut off your family like that.

I take care of all of my veterans and elderly in my family, when necessary.

If I misunderstood and you are talking about the government than you are mistaken again. There has been an explosion of unnecessary benefits for the elderly which I greatly resent. The government should not continually confiscate more of my money not used for the general welfare or the common defense.
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Post Old Time Country Preacher
Some a you democrat sympathizers sound a heap like ole Slick Willy Clinton whey ya ask:

What do ya mean by homosexuality?
What is immoral?
Define immoral?
What does "is" mean?


My blessed, fellers, all ya gotta do is read Romans 1.............
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Post Wow, nature....I first had figure out what your post was caseyleejones
talking about.

Do you really resent benefits to the elderly? Is that what you are saying? Are you opposing our vets and their benefits?
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Post Absolutely immoral and INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS doyle
In addition to Scripture speaking strongly against sexual immorality including adultery, incest and homosexuality, being a homosexual is one of the most dangerous things a person can be involved in.

According to surveys done in "gay-friendly" publications which announce the deaths in the gay community, being homosexual can take 10 years or more away from one's lifespan. (It might be noted that being overweight can also take years from one's life).

Homosexuals die far earlier than the national average. The avearge age of death in the country is 73-76 while in the gay community it's 40-50. Possibly risky sexual behavior, being in a community which espouses and practices numerous sexual partners (in the hundreds) and exposing themselves to various bacteria that are killers, all combine to make homosexuality so dangerous.

Alienation from family and living with either guilt or condemnation from society may also be contributors.

Even so, our attitude towards those either trapped or participating willingly in that lifestyle should be one of compassion and prayer.

The Scripture does indeed condemn homosexuality BUT IT ALSO CONDEMNS us all. Romans 3:23 says, "All have sinned..." I haven't committed that sin but I've sinned enough to be lost.

I don't feel superior because homosexuality is something I don't struggle with. Without the shed blood of Jesus I'd be screaming my way to hell instead of headed for heaven.

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Post amen..amen..amen! Phil Hoover
doyle wrote:
I don't feel superior because homosexuality is something I don't struggle with. Without the shed blood of Jesus I'd be screaming my way to hell instead of headed for heaven.

Doyle


We all would....thank you for the sobering, solid, scriptural reminder of the fact.

It's all because of Jesus that we are not on our way to Hell now...
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Post Doyle, the question that I raised caseyleejones
is whether its the practice? That was my contention from the beginning. The practice, most definitely just as viewing porn, acting out adultery, etc.... Acts-perienced Poster
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Thank you, Nightsky, for expressing the same point I have been trying to make far more effectively than I apparently have been. You nailed it, sister!
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