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Ventureforth |
| Cojak wrote: | | Ventureforth wrote: |
I agree that the bible uses parables, allegories and figures of speech, etc. But in reference to the topic of this thread, I don't see enough indication that we should take the Genesis creation story as anything but literal. |
I do not either VF, but I would not disregard a brother or sister who saw it another way, Somethings are harder for some than others. I see nothing in that which would eliminate their salvation. Just my opinion.  |
I agree, Cojak.
That is as long as the way a person interprets scripture doesn't cause them to believe the wrong things about essential doctrines. But I'm not saying that is going on here. |
Acts-celerater
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11/1/15 9:57 pm
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DrDuck |
If in the creation story Adam and Eve are figures in an allegory there is not a sinful nature and no fallen man. Sin is only the product of some hyper imaginative dreamer. Therefore, no need for redemption by salvation.
So, in my opinion belief in anything other than the literal Adam and Eve is the height of heresy. While I may not confront directly their claims to salvation; I would have no personal confidence in their claim to faith. |
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11/2/15 6:44 am
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JLarry |
The good Dr. Duck wrote:
| Quote: | If in the creation story Adam and Eve are figures in an allegory there is not a sinful nature and no fallen man. Sin is only the product of some hyper imaginative dreamer. Therefore, no need for redemption by salvation.
So, in my opinion belief in anything other than the literal Adam and Eve is the height of heresy. While I may not confront directly their claims to salvation; I would have no personal confidence in their claim to faith. |
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11/2/15 9:36 am
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UncleJD |
| I believe everything the Bible says about Adam and Eve, and that it is literal. Is there room for some slightly differing views? Yes. |
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11/2/15 10:26 am
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mytimewillcome |
| DrDuck wrote: |
So, in my opinion belief in anything other than the literal Adam and Eve is the height of heresy. While I may not confront directly their claims to salvation; I would have no personal confidence in their claim to faith. |
Heresy? Wow. What is your definition of heresy?
The view that Adam was not a specific person does not go against the Apostles Creed nor the CoG Declaration of Faith. |
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11/2/15 12:06 pm
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DrDuck |
| mytimewillcome wrote: | | DrDuck wrote: |
So, in my opinion belief in anything other than the literal Adam and Eve is the height of heresy. While I may not confront directly their claims to salvation; I would have no personal confidence in their claim to faith. |
Heresy? Wow. What is your definition of heresy?
The view that Adam was not a specific person does not go against the Apostle's Creed nor the CoG Declaration of Faith. |
Wow, what a narrow definition of heresy.
If the literal interpretation of the the Genesis account of our existence, including Adam and Eve, is disregarded; both the apostles creed and the COG Declaration of faith are of no practical value either. And yes, heresy is defined as "opinion profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted."
So my use of the term is well within the limits of the proper definition of the word. And the Apostle's Creed and the COG Declaration of faith are not the standards by which heresy is declared. |
Acts-celerater
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11/2/15 4:35 pm
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muricewatsonsfriend |
if we buy into the allegory, then we have to buy it all. if Adam is representative of "mankind" then we must - to be true to the text - take the rest of the group into the allegory. therefore, we no longer have God alone in the story, but "godliness" or something even less descriptive.
NT passages clearly recognize Jesus as the "second Adam."
the scriptures have plenty of allegorical references, but this isn't one of them.
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11/2/15 6:41 pm
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mytimewillcome |
| DrDuck wrote: | | my use of the term is well within the limits of the proper definition of the word. And the Apostle's Creed and the COG Declaration of faith are not the standards by which heresy is declared. |
So not adhering to your standards are what makes something heresy?
Does your cult have a website? |
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11/2/15 10:43 pm
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wayne |
| JLarry wrote: | I assume most who post here are CoG, or have ties with the CoG.
With that being said, how can anyone possibly believe the recorded Biblical account of the first man and woman, Adam and Eve to be anything other than REAL.
I am a simple man. If I believe the BIBLE, I believe all the BIBLE.
I even believe one man, Noah built a huge boat the BIBLE calls an Ark. I have no idea how God had all those animals cross oceans and come from around the world to get to the ark, but I believe what the BIBLE says.
I have no idea how a man lived in a fish for three days, but the BIBLE said is happened, and I believe it.
I have no idea how a man, Jesus was killed and rose from the dead, hey He even went into the heart of the earth and preached for three days. I don't know how it happened, but the BIBLE said it so I believe it.
I don't even know how He radically changed my life in 1970, but He did.
If I did not believe in a real Adam and Eve, how could I believe in a real Jesus?
I don't even understand how such a question would come up on a board like Acts, but somehow it did.
Thank you BrotherJames for your great response to this question.
"Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the EVIDENCE of things NOT seen" Heb. 11:1.
Yes my friend it takes FAITH, not human understanding to believe what God has said. I suppose I lack understanding (I do not have a real degree) so I have to rely on FAITH.
We can debate OSAS, or EE or Sanctification, but how can we debate whether or not there was a real Adam and Eve. |
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11/3/15 10:45 am
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bonnie knox |
What's EE?
| Quote: | | We can debate OSAS, or EE or Sanctification, but how can we debate whether or not there was a real Adam and Eve. |
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11/3/15 1:42 pm
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John Jett |
| bonnie knox wrote: | What's EE?
| Quote: | | We can debate OSAS, or EE or Sanctification, but how can we debate whether or not there was a real Adam and Eve. |
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I'm thinking Extraterrestrial Evidence  |
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11/3/15 4:18 pm
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DrDuck |
| mytimewillcome wrote: | | DrDuck wrote: | | my use of the term is well within the limits of the proper definition of the word. And the Apostle's Creed and the COG Declaration of faith are not the standards by which heresy is declared. |
So not adhering to your standards are what makes something heresy?
Does your cult have a website? |
It is really simple. If you do not understand the definition of heresy here is the simple solution.
Turn on a computer. (There is switch somewhere just keep punching until you find the right one.)
Ask someone to. . . aww, this will take too long. Just ask some kid
to show you how to do a Google. You can find the definition of heresy there.
Well let me just make it easy for you. If you Google heresy this is the top item that will magically appear:
her·e·sy
ˈherəsē/Submit
noun
belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine.
"Huss was burned for heresy"
synonyms: dissension, dissent, nonconformity, heterodoxy, unorthodoxy, apostasy, blasphemy, freethinking; More
"opinion profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted."
It is just that simple! |
Acts-celerater
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11/3/15 5:34 pm
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