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Post Re: A thoughtful response... Dr. Knucklehead
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Is it not true that the staff sign a paper that they will not teach anything contrary to the COG doctrine? Acts Enthusiast
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Post Re: A thoughtful response... Charlie Earl
Dr. Knucklehead wrote:
OHIOBISHOPBILL wrote:
I'm ABSOLUTELY confident you will find that the leadership of the Seminary or any faculty member that I know would not knowingly endorse such. It would be my humble suggestion that you call PTS and speak with Dr. Vest personally or Dr. David Han, Vice President or the faculty member who is teaching the class and bring your concerns to them.

I'm ABSOLUTELY confident there is another explanation and to publicly call these fine and dedicated servants out in this forum without giving anyone in authority a chance to respond is not fair. You may not have meant any harm and while your concerns are legitimate there is a much healthier way to check these things out.

I sincerely ask you to make the call before you go further to injure those who may not be guilty as you have alluded to.

Bill


I can confirm that these books are being used at the seminary. I also can confirm that agendas and issues are being pushed at the seminary. I also have full confidence in the leadership of the seminary. The two you mentioned I believe are good men and I know students that have or will be approaching leadership about what is being taught. I do believe that the leadership needs to pay closer attention to what some of the professors are teaching and books being used.


This makes me feel better. That is the conflict I have had...I HAVE CONFIDENCE WITH THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP, just not not sure about agenda driven professors that are moving in a direction that is inconsistent with our movement. Some of these "voices" have been quite vocal on the floor of the last 2-3 GA's. We all know who they are.

Thanks for encouragement.
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Post Re: A thoughtful response... Eduardo Nieves
Charlie Earl,
With all due respect, these are two separate issues. Because one does not agree with opinions being expressed on the floor of the GA, is no reason to cast a shadow of suspicion on the professors. I'm proud to be an alumn of PTS and have had nothing but good experiences. I agree with you about the book, but you shouldn't throw off on the faculty that have dedicated their lives to teaching and training our people.

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This makes me feel better. That is the conflict I have had...I HAVE CONFIDENCE WITH THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP, just not not sure about agenda driven professors that are moving in a direction that is inconsistent with our movement. Some of these "voices" have been quite vocal on the floor of the last 2-3 GA's. We all know who they are.

Thanks for encouragement.

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Post Re: A thoughtful response... Charlie Earl
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Charlie Earl,
With all due respect, these are two separate issues. Because one does not agree with opinions being expressed on the floor of the GA, is no reason to cast a shadow of suspicion on the professors. I'm proud to be an alumn of PTS and have had nothing but good experiences. I agree with you about the book, but you shouldn't throw off on the faculty that have dedicated their lives to teaching and training our people.

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This makes me feel better. That is the conflict I have had...I HAVE CONFIDENCE WITH THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP, just not not sure about agenda driven professors that are moving in a direction that is inconsistent with our movement. Some of these "voices" have been quite vocal on the floor of the last 2-3 GA's. We all know who they are.

Thanks for encouragement.



My point is that the issues of the book and a trajectory in theological thought does not happen in a vacuum. There are "certain" professors who have pushed this feminist approach -- it is public because they have made it public with impassioned defense from the GA floor.

The book(s) are there BECAUSE OF FACULTY.

Via private messages, many love PTS, but recognize there is a serious theological problem that is present by certain faculty members and is going to come to a head. If not internally, then externally.
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Post Kyle Morrow
To be fair, the professor of the class in which this book is being used has never spoken on the Church of God General Assembly floor.
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Post Re: A thoughtful response... Old Time Country Preacher
Charlie Earl wrote:
There are "certain" professors who have pushed this feminist approach -- it is public because they have made it public with impassioned defense from the GA floor.


Hey, Earl, gotta love ya postin name, son. They has been some right lively discussions over the years here on Acts bout a certain feller named "Earl."

Now, these certain professors of which ya allude an all, like Chris Thomas, Cheryl Johns, et al, lets be real specific bout what they was doin/sayin on the GC/GA floor. They is a heap a difference in simply supporting "women in ministry," an pushin a "feminist approach/agenda/theology" that affects everything in life, promotes "our heavenly Mother," an is inclusive of most any an everthing. The latter is the meanderings of such liberal left theologians as Letty Russell, an other fringe feminist wackos. To say that New Testament scholar Chris Thomas was pushin this type of agenda is to misunderstand his intent.		 Acts-pert Poster
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Kyle Morrow wrote:
To be fair, the professor of the class in which this book is being used has never spoken on the Church of God General Assembly floor.


I NEVER SAID HE DID.

Again, it is the academic environment, where certain prof (s) have certain bias and influence, that ALLOWS AND ENCOURAGES this to ferment.

You made a connection that I never made. If you read carefully my posts, you would have seen that.
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Post Re: A thoughtful response... Charlie Earl
Old Time Country Preacher wrote:
Charlie Earl wrote:
There are "certain" professors who have pushed this feminist approach -- it is public because they have made it public with impassioned defense from the GA floor.


They is a heap a difference in simply supporting "women in ministry," an pushin a "feminist approach/agenda/theology".


Agree.

Academic texts are usually submitted and approved along a "academic" food chain. If you look over much of the theology department, you will see a "sympathy" for a certain theological strain that leans heavy in some of these areas...if not fully committed to them.

I never made the connection until I heard certain voices at GA and began to inquire for myself w students, textbooks, articles, observations for the past 6 years.

The homosexual advocate author of "Christ the Key" finally pushed me over the edge.
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Post Kyle Morrow
I didn't say you made the connection, but you didn't insinuate a correlation. I was just making a distinction.
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Post Charlie Earl
Kyle Morrow wrote:
I didn't say you made the connection, but you didn't insinuate a correlation. I was just making a distinction.


10/4 --- I got ya. Thanks.
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Post i attend pts Joe Nail
i attend PTS and i assure each and every one of you that there is no endorsement of homosexuality however it is a subject that is not taboo.

welcome to the real world. every one of your churches with 100 or more people have been touched in some way by this subject. we need to learn how to deal with it. Smile
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