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Cojak |
Ever hear of the zip gun? Big in the 50's. I made several guns, not complicated, just not the rapid fire dudes. But I would bet with the technology today a machinist could develop a crude rapid fire unit.
That aside, over all we do not have that many over the top assault weapons in the general public. Maybe a lot of preachers have them though!  
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Would the murder rate go UP or DOWN if we had much more stringent gun laws?
Would CRIME go down or up with tougher gun laws?
If these go down, then it makes sense, does it not, to have more stringent gun laws.
On the other hand, if it went up, the NRA would have a point. |
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| Quote: | | If these go down, then it makes sense, does it not, to have more stringent gun laws. |
I think the rub of it is, that we can't just eliminate everything that is dangerous without other unintended consequences. And what are the gun laws that we don't have now that you would like to see in place? |
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John Jett |
| Aaron Scott wrote: | Would the murder rate go UP or DOWN if we had much more stringent gun laws?
Would CRIME go down or up with tougher gun laws?
If these go down, then it makes sense, does it not, to have more stringent gun laws.
On the other hand, if it went up, the NRA would have a point. |
Have you seriously not read any stats on this? SMH |
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skinnybishop |
| Aaron Scott wrote: | Would the murder rate go UP or DOWN if we had much more stringent gun laws?
Would CRIME go down or up with tougher gun laws?
If these go down, then it makes sense, does it not, to have more stringent gun laws.
On the other hand, if it went up, the NRA would have a point. |
You cannot be serious. Ever read about the murder rate in the city of Chicago?
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/82-shot-15-dead-city-strictest-gun-laws-united-states/
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Aaron Scott |
For every example you could give, a good counter example could be given. You know that, so let's not play games.
Some communities do fine without guns. Others may not.
Some nations do fine. I wonder if our birth as rebels against England has passed through to each generation in a form of "Don't tread on me"?
Maybe that's why some nations don't need guns as badly? |
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skinnybishop |
| Aaron Scott wrote: | For every example you could give, a good counter example could be given. You know that, so let's not play games.
Some communities do fine without guns. Others may not.
Some nations do fine. I wonder if our birth as rebels against England has passed through to each generation in a form of "Don't tread on me"?
Maybe that's why some nations don't need guns as badly? |
Funny, you seem to be changing the subject after your point has been disproven.
I challenge you to prove your first sentence.
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skinnybishop |
| Aaron Scott wrote: | For every example you could give, a good counter example could be given. You know that, so let's not play games.
Some communities do fine without guns. Others may not.
Some nations do fine. I wonder if our birth as rebels against England has passed through to each generation in a form of "Don't tread on me"?
Maybe that's why some nations don't need guns as badly? |
Do you realize what you just wrote? In your previous post, you questioned whether strict gun control laws were effective. Then you said for every example where gun control laws failed, a good counter can be given.
So according to your own words, there is as much evidence that gun control laws do NOT work....as there is evidence they DO work.
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No, I was saying that where gun control laws are LOOSE--where everyone owns a gun and supposedly little crime happens--you can find a counter example of where gun control laws are strong...and yet there is also little crime.
My point is not that you and others don't get to claim "game over" because you find a questionable proof for your side. Because the other side has plenty of good "proofs" also.
But what we DO know is that guns do enable a person to do far more damage that would have otherwise taken place had they had only a baseball bat, say. THAT needs to be addressed.
Right now, the only answer your side has is "more guns." Give everyone a gun and we'll be safer.
But other nations go against that and STILL have a higher safety rate. What gives?
Are we an outlier (as one person put it)? Do WE need guns because of some unique quirk in the American soul that will only respond to bullets? |
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skinnybishop |
| Aaron Scott wrote: | No, I was saying that where gun control laws are LOOSE--where everyone owns a gun and supposedly little crime happens--you can find a counter example of where gun control laws are strong...and yet there is also little crime.
My point is not that you and others don't get to claim "game over" because you find a questionable proof for your side. Because the other side has plenty of good "proofs" also.
But what we DO know is that guns do enable a person to do far more damage that would have otherwise taken place had they had only a baseball bat, say. THAT needs to be addressed.
Right now, the only answer your side has is "more guns." Give everyone a gun and we'll be safer.
But other nations go against that and STILL have a higher safety rate. What gives?
Are we an outlier (as one person put it)? Do WE need guns because of some unique quirk in the American soul that will only respond to bullets? |
Why we need guns is irrelevant.
What other nations do is irrelevant.
Questionable proof? How about indisputable fact
Show me one of these counter examples you mention
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