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What's your view on the rapture?
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Which way do you see it?
1. Pre-Trib
58%
 58%  [ 28 ]
2. Mid-Trib
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
3. Post-Trib
12%
 12%  [ 6 ]
4. Who cares? I just want to be ready.
25%
 25%  [ 12 ]
Total Votes : 48

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Post Apples and oranges sheepdogandy
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Any previous persecutions cannot compare with what is going to happen during the Trib.
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Post Sheepdog... Yo Dude
and that's BEFORE Jesus returns, according to the chapter. Acts-dicted
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Post Pre-Trib, and watching the Eastern Skies! imustdecrease
Notice that chapters 2 and 3 of the Revelation are addressed to the churches. Jesus is pictured as the candlestick in the midst of the churches. How do you explain that the churches are not mentioned again in the Revelation until chapter 22:16?

Revelation chapter four starts with, "After this." I believe that the church has been raptured, and the church is called to "Come up hither." All the events describing the Great Tribulation take place after this.
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I posted a thread on Paul's attack on pre-trib. II Thessalonians shows us that the saints will receive relief when Christ comes back with the holy angels, and the wicked will be punished.

I wish there were another choice on the poll-- at the return of Christ. That is when I see the rapture taking place. I just can't see two second comings of Christ in scripture.

I don't see how pre-wrath fits with Paul's teaching of the rapture occuring at the second coming, when the Lord descends from heaven. I don't see God pouring out His wrath, and the fact that saints are not appointed unto wrath, as a compelling argument for a pre-wrath rapture. God poured out His judgment on Egypt didn't He? Did He pour it out on Israel? No. God is really good at pouring. He can pour wrath right where He wants it to fall. Even if Christians suffer from the effects of it when God pours out His wrath on the earth, that doesn't mean that we are under God's wrath.
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Link -- a post trib view is essentially what you propose as another poll option.

Honestly, as long as one is in Christ it matters not when or if there is a rapture apart from the second coming proper. Either way the righteous receive eternal life in the presence of Christ and the wicked are confined to eternal torments in the lake of fire.

But, I do believe the Scripture shows a rapture distinct from the second coming proper. When believers begin to allow these various views to distract us from the purpose and calling of the church or to cause wounded feelings or hurt between us then I resort to my other view -- pan trib.

I figure salvation is primary. The rest will all pan out in the end. Wink




I'll look over your thread and the Thessalonian text(s) you mentioned above. Maybe I can join the dialog.
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Post Pre Trib Rafael D Martinez
So pre Trib I won't eat Post Toasties ..
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