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Post Can you become ex-gay? Nature Boy Florida
Eddie Robbins recently posted that he thinks it is very rare for a gay person to no longer be gay - even if they become a Christian.

Is that true?

And while in the secular world - if you don't want to be a male, they will help you become female (parts wise)

If you don't want to be female they will help you become male

But - if you don't want to be gay - they teach you to accept being gay - instead of helping you to no longer be gay.

That seems backwards to me.

I want everyone to come to accept Jesus and work towards living the Christian lifestyle - you know - the way God designed us. But people are so screwed up anymore - it is hard for them to believe they can be free.

I don't know that Christians believe any longer that they can be free.

I don't know if I believe it any longer.

Are there really people, like the Calvinists believe, that can not be saved?

Was the book of Romans written after observing the people of Rome living the same way?

Am I now a Calvinist?
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Of course they can. We had a well-known "ex-gay" pastor from Australia preach a series at our church a couple of years ago. He said it was a long process, but eventually he became a father, husband (to a woman), and lost his same-sex attraction which as he and several others like him have said was acquired through brokenness (from abuse, neglect, loneliness, relationships, etc..). I know it can't be easy, and most likely is a long recovery process, but I don't doubt it can and has happened. But with the attitude and enablement, even worship, of the condition in this culture, the idea is hated, scoffed at, and even codified as illegal with even the Church accepting it. What I find most ironic, is that for most of history it was understood to be a treatable mental illness until a so-called "brave" homosexual psychiatrist wearing a rubber Nixon mask in 1973 convinced the American Psychiatric board that he was normal and not mentally ill, then mysteriously disappeared (use your google).

that's not to say that the attraction itself is the sin, I don't believe it is, even the act, which is sinful, isn't the worst part, at least for a Christian. Its the self-justification that becomes the most damning part. I know one young man, who was raised in a Christian home, went to seminary, admitted his homosexual attraction and actually "taught", correctly, that the act was sinful according to scripture, and that he had a difficult journey but that God's grace was sufficient and he would live as a struggling sinner much like any other Christian does. But one day, like most others, he decided that God loved his homosexuality, that all scripture about it was simply mis-interpreted, that God wanted him to have gay sex, etc.. That change was the damning part, more than the act itself, when he brought God into his sin, and created a God that not only accepts it, but enjoys it with him,

Romans 1:24-32
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skinnybishop wrote:
Listen to this story. I know this man personally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNanbmNlhSQ[/u]


Great testimony, also read the comments, a lot of similar stories. Way more than the "it never happens crowd" that even post here on Actscelerate
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It’s easy to find some. The point was that it is very rare. I can find plenty people who used to be Pentecostal and aren’t anymore. I challenge you to watch the documentary called “Pray Away.” Acts-pert Poster
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Eddie Robbins wrote:
It’s easy to find some. The point was that it is very rare. I can find plenty people who used to be Pentecostal and aren’t anymore. I challenge you to watch the documentary called “Pray Away.”


Eddie,
Where is the documentary located?
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The inspired Apostle Paul apparently believed one could be ex-homosexual:

1 Cor 6:9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. NASB
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Eddie Robbins wrote:
It’s easy to find some. The point was that it is very rare. I can find plenty people who used to be Pentecostal and aren’t anymore. I challenge you to watch the documentary called “Pray Away.”


Eddie,
Where is the documentary located?


I saw it on Netflix. Not sure if it’s still there.
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Post Eddie Robbins
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The inspired Apostle Paul apparently believed one could be ex-homosexual:

1 Cor 6:9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. NASB


Maybe do a study on the word “homosexual” in the original Greek and Hebrew texts.
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Quiet Wyatt wrote:
The inspired Apostle Paul apparently believed one could be ex-homosexual:

1 Cor 6:9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. NASB


Maybe do a study on the word “homosexual” in the original Greek and Hebrew texts.


I'm no Greek or Hebrew scholar - so I can't help there.

Are you saying effeminate and homosexual in the KJV doesn't mean what it appears to mean?

Just a cursory glance at the RSV, ASV, NIV and New Living Translations - all seem to agree with the KJV. Are they all wrong? And if they are, which translation is right?
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Those who are pro-LGBTQ often will try to say Paul was only referring to abusive or exploitive homosexuality, not committed monogamous homosexual relationships. Unfortunately for those who hold that view, Paul plainly states in Romans 1 that consensual homosexual acts are contrary to nature and worthy of death, like all other forms of idolatrous sins listed in that chapter. [Insert Acts Pun Here]
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First of all, no, I cannot become ex-gay because I am not gay. I suspect that is the answer that applies to most people here.

If 'gay' means attracted to the same sex, some people who repent from the lifestyle may struggle with it, kind of like a man may intentionally need to avert his eyes from a scantily clad attractive woman who walks by. (Am I the only man here who needs to do that at times?)

Finding some or all women pretty doesn't mean you have to sin with your eyes, etc.

God can also deliver someone instantly or over time so that it is not a struggle anymore.
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Quiet Wyatt wrote:
Those who are pro-LGBTQ often will try to say Paul was only referring to abusive or exploitive homosexuality, not committed monogamous homosexual relationships. Unfortunately for those who hold that view, Paul plainly states in Romans 1 that consensual homosexual acts are contrary to nature and worthy of death, like all other forms of idolatrous sins listed in that chapter.


Then some of them try to twist that and say that being gay is their nature, so when Paul was saying same-sex acts were against nature, he was only talking about straight people, since doing same-sex acts is against their own nature.

Of course, that is reading their twisted LGBT ideas into Paul's writings, where they clearly go against what Paul is saying.
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Every human being is born with a genetic predisposition to a habit or compulsive behavior that the Bible defines as sin.

The Grace of God accessed through faith in Jesus Christ is sufficient to forgive, cleanse and deliver.

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Quiet Wyatt wrote:
Those who are pro-LGBTQ often will try to say Paul was only referring to abusive or exploitive homosexuality, not committed monogamous homosexual relationships. Unfortunately for those who hold that view, Paul plainly states in Romans 1 that consensual homosexual acts are contrary to nature and worthy of death, like all other forms of idolatrous sins listed in that chapter.


Then some of them try to twist that and say that being gay is their nature, so when Paul was saying same-sex acts were against nature, he was only talking about straight people, since doing same-sex acts is against their own nature.

Of course, that is reading their twisted LGBT ideas into Paul's writings, where they clearly go against what Paul is saying.


So they're inferring that this exists? Heterosexuals going against their nature to have gay orgies? I can't imagine that being a thing at all. Or Paul was spending time addressing an issue that doesn't exist? More pretzel-logic from the gay "theologians"
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Post Re: Can you become ex-gay? MayB2Day
Nature Boy Florida wrote:
Eddie Robbins recently posted that he thinks it is very rare for a gay person to no longer be gay - even if they become a Christian.

Is that true?



2 Corinthians 5:17, "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come."


That phrase "new creation" (to my understanding) means a species of being that has never before existed.


So yes, IMHO, when a person is truly born again they can become an ex-whatever they used to be.


Being born again doesn't remove temptations that are seeded in our old nature. We will all struggle at times with the old nature. But as a new creation we now have the resource of supernatural power to overcome the temptation.
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Post Some are delivered fully.... Aaron Scott
For the most part, I don't believe that most homosexuals lose their orientation. Some may, but I don't believe most do.

I do, believe, however, that someone with a homosexual orientation can stop PRACTICING homosexuality. For that matter, that person can marry someone of the opposite sex, etc.
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Post To add some more.... Aaron Scott
When I was a young man, I couldn't understand how a boy who loved the Lord and wanted to live for Him could have to wrestle so hard against desire for the opposite sex. I know this is a common "affliction," but, oh, how I prayed for God to take that away!

God help me, I even prayed that, if necessary, He blind me. I guess I thought if I couldn't see, I wouldn't be tempted. But at nearly 60 now, I know that you can be blind as a bat and still have to fight the flesh.

I wish it was something that turned on only after you got married. But if that was the case, I don't know that many of us would decide to marry. After all, I was otherwise enjoying the single life of coming and going when I wanted, numerous trips to the mountains, rafting, etc., with friends.

But then, somehow or another--and without me hardly noticing it--one of my best friend's daughters grew up. And--WHOA! WHERE DID YOU COME FROM? And so I, a 34-year-old man, married a beautiful 21-year-old young lady. And am still married, thank the Lord.

But despite my prayers when I was single, my orientation never changed (thank the Lord!), nor did the volume of desire turn down. I simply had to keep praying and wrestling.

I feel confident that that is what happens most of the time with gays. Like me, they will have to pray and wrestle. Thankfully, though, the Lord designed my features such that I wouldn't have to resist temptation as strongly as others, and so I made it to marriage a virgin, thank the Lord. In fact, both of us were virgins before we were married, thank the Lord.

But I at least had the opportunity to marry. A person with homosexual orientation will not be able to marry the same sex, so he/she may have to struggle all the way home. Or the Lord may just give them the grace to love and want to be with the opposite sex. (I know of a man who lived in a gay relationship before he got saved. After all these years, he is still living for the Lord and is married to a wonderful woman--they simply fit together perfectly, it seems.)
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Aaron Scott wrote:

But I at least had the opportunity to marry. A person with homosexual orientation will not be able to marry the same sex, so he/she may have to struggle all the way home. Or the Lord may just give them the grace to love and want to be with the opposite sex. (I know of a man who lived in a gay relationship before he got saved. After all these years, he is still living for the Lord and is married to a wonderful woman--they simply fit together perfectly, it seems.)


But they could marry, hopefully with full disclosure to be fair. The man with same sex attraction could marry the tough-looking women with same sex attraction.

Pedophiles and Zoophiles should not get to marry whatever satisfies unnatural urges either.
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