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Quiet Wyatt |
| UncleJD wrote: | | That's debatable and if it has to be done the same day (as someone said), could add further, undue stress on the hurting family. The point is that there are probably a lot of valid, non-pagan, reasons for doing it. In fact, would not embalming be a "pagan" practice in its Egyptian origins? Yet the early Church wasn't opposed to it obviously. I think Joseph introduced it from Egyptian culture into Jewish culture (though it was not widely practiced I think since it is not mentioned many times) |
Okay, I think you and perhaps NBF misunderstood my reference to paganism. I have never said or meant to imply that anyone who requests or performs cremation is pagan. I am simply observing the fact that historically, Christians and Jews have practiced burial out of respect for the body and their belief in the resurrection to come, and that pagan cultures have typically instead practiced cremation especially in light of their lack of respect for the physical body and their lack of belief and disdain for the idea of any sort of resurrection.
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Quiet Wyatt |
| UncleJD wrote: | | That's debatable and if it has to be done the same day (as someone said), could add further, undue stress on the hurting family. The point is that there are probably a lot of valid, non-pagan, reasons for doing it. In fact, would not embalming be a "pagan" practice in its Egyptian origins? Yet the early Church wasn't opposed to it obviously. I think Joseph introduced it from Egyptian culture into Jewish culture (though it was not widely practiced I think since it is not mentioned many times) |
The early church, so far as I have been able to find in studying this, did not practice embalming, but typically buried dead bodies fairly soon after death. |
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| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | I have real warm and powdery thoughts when I think about cremation. Some folks think they can urn their way into heaven. |
Warm ain't the word for it; think of all the degrees you will attain in the process! |
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| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | I have real warm and powdery thoughts when I think about cremation. Some folks think they can urn their way into heaven. |
I'm just worried I may make an ash out of myself |
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| Brandon Bohannon wrote: | | There's a company in Arizona that will pay for cremation and shipping if you donate your body to science. Three elderly members of the church that I pastor signed up. One of them has already passed and the company made good. |
I'm in!!! I just hope that I dies with a smile so when some poor medical student uncovers my face they'll freak out a little
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| Clint Wills wrote: | | Brandon Bohannon wrote: | | There's a company in Arizona that will pay for cremation and shipping if you donate your body to science. Three elderly members of the church that I pastor signed up. One of them has already passed and the company made good. |
I'm in!!! I just hope that I dies with a smile so when some poor medical student uncovers my face they'll freak out a little
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They name their cadavers; they would just call you "Smiley." |
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| bonnie knox wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | I have real warm and powdery thoughts when I think about cremation. Some folks think they can urn their way into heaven. |
Warm ain't the word for it; think of all the degrees you will attain in the process! |
ONe thing is fer shore, Miss Bonnie, aint a one them degrees gonna be fake. Son, them is the real deal. |
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| JLarry wrote: | I told my wife to cremate me, when I die. It would save a lot of money. She said she could not do that. One of our boys agreed with her.
It does not matter to me what they do. I was only trying to help her save money.
BTW Tommy Powell. I do not plan to burn twice.  |
My wife had the same reaction my friend. My grand kids plan to make sure "Here Lies Jack In A Box' on the tomb stone so I gotta have one of 'em. But it could be a small box with my ashes in it..
And I like the burn twice retort! ha!
But my feelings on Cremation are it is no problem. Not much difference than years ago when folks were just placed in the ground in a blanket etc. it all would be dust in a couple hundred years, Imma guessing.
I preferred burial at sea but mama nixed that also. 
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| Eddie Robbins wrote: | | What are your personal thoughts concerning a Christian being cremated? |
Very good discussion post Eddie. I like this. Some good points made. 
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| My wife and I are considering it. Spread my ashes on the greenway and at Lee University. I am going to convince her to request her's to be spread somewhere in the Caribbean and I'll be forced to go on a cruise.....assuming I out-live her. |
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| Eddie Robbins wrote: | | My wife and I are considering it. Spread my ashes on the greenway and at Lee University. I am going to convince her to request her's to be spread somewhere in the Caribbean and I'll be forced to go on a cruise.....assuming I out-live her. |
Good one!
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Some see Paul's "though I give my body to be burned" (1 Cor. 13:3) as a reference to cremation. Of the possible interpretations, this is the easiest to accept
Here's my take: Several of the early church leaders were burned at the stake or used as torches. Resurrection power is not dependent upon either my body's location or condition. When I am called forth, I WILL come forth.
Cremation is the option I have chosen to speed up the dust to dust and ashes to ashes process
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| R. Keith Whitt wrote: | Some see Paul's "though I give my body to be burned" (1 Cor. 13:3) as a reference to cremation. Of the possible interpretations, this is the easiest to accept
Here's my take: Several of the early church leaders were burned at the stake or used as torches. Resurrection power is not dependent upon either my body's location or condition. When I am called forth, I WILL come forth.
Cremation is the option I have chosen to speed up the dust to dust and ashes to ashes process
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bonnie knox |
| It might be some folks' only chance for a smokin' hot body. |
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| bonnie knox wrote: | | It might be some folks' only chance for a smokin' hot body. |
Awww 
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Here is what Genesis says about our life/body. "In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return." Genesis 3:19
We are designed from dust and destined to return to dust. So my thought is this, embalming slows the process and cremation speeds the process. How can one be right and the other wrong? |
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Cojak |
| 4thgeneration wrote: | Here is what Genesis says about our life/body. "In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return." Genesis 3:19
We are designed from dust and destined to return to dust. So my thought is this, embalming slows the process and cremation speeds the process. How can one be right and the other wrong? |
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Historically, Jews and Christians (and Muslims, too) have practiced some form of burial. Some of the Jews used sepulcres.
Pagans cremated. Greek pagans, Roman pagans if I recall correctly, Norse pagans, Hindu, and Buddhist pagans created and creamate the dead.
The first group believe in a resurrection of the body. Some pagan groups believe in getting rid of the body.
I believe God can sort out ashes for the martyrs burned at the stake, but I believe in the resurrection of the body.
Jesus' brother's family apparently thought enough of burial to put James' bones in that nice ossuary that was discovered several years ago. Some Palestinian scavenger probably dumped St. James bones out of the box or maybe the Armenian Orthodox church put them somewhere. Joseph didn't want to leave his bones in Egypt. He had them buried in the holy land where the Messiah would return at the resurrection.
I want a proper Christian burial for my body when I die, not a pagan body burning. If they burn me, God can figure that out.
As far as the Bible goes, I can't find anything that says, 'thou shalt not creamate.' But Jesus said, 'let the dead bury their dead.' He didn't say, 'let the dead creamate their dead.
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Patrick Harris |
When Jesus said " let the dead bury the dead " it was not in reference to the proper mode of disposing the body.
It was not actual command to future believers. It was given for a specific time and situation.
In context it was an instruction on discipleship and the cost of following him.
Neither a command to bury or a prohibition of cremation. |
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Cojak |
| Patrick Harris wrote: | When Jesus said " let the dead bury the dead " it was not in reference to the proper mode of disposing the body.
It was not actual command to future believers. It was given for a specific time and situation.
In context it was an instruction on discipleship and the cost of following him.
Neither a command to bury or a prohibition of cremation. |
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