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Post Has the Travis Johnson decision been made? Nature Boy Florida
Is the quiet moratorium over?

Does Lee still need to fix their direction - or does the COG shut down all of TJs church campuses in Alabama?

I know Jimmybee is on the inside there - perhaps he can let us know.
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The trial board will hear the charges against TJ and tomorrow and I assume a decision will be forthcoming at the end of the day. Acts-celerater
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For there have been such a fuss leading up the hearing I am surprised we haven't heard anything yet. Where are the keyboard warriors and heroes? Acts Enthusiast
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For there have been such a fuss leading up the hearing I am surprised we haven't heard anything yet. Where are the keyboard warriors and heroes?


The General said don't talk.

Since I wasn't in the trial - I don't know what happened.

Please tell us - so one side can get out the pitchforks.
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fire-starter wrote:
For there have been such a fuss leading up the hearing I am surprised we haven't heard anything yet. Where are the keyboard warriors and heroes?


The General said don't talk.

Since I wasn't in the trial - I don't know what happened.

Please tell us - so one side can get out the pitchforks.


Based on previous history, I am waiting on TJ or the AB to make a video for us. Laughing
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/COGpastor/permalink/3804000729834975/

fire-starter wrote:
Nature Boy Florida wrote:
fire-starter wrote:
For there have been such a fuss leading up the hearing I am surprised we haven't heard anything yet. Where are the keyboard warriors and heroes?


The General said don't talk.

Since I wasn't in the trial - I don't know what happened.

Please tell us - so one side can get out the pitchforks.


Based on previous history, I am waiting on TJ or the AB to make a video for us. :lol:
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postmodern wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/COGpastor/permalink/3804000729834975/

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Nature Boy Florida wrote:
fire-starter wrote:
For there have been such a fuss leading up the hearing I am surprised we haven't heard anything yet. Where are the keyboard warriors and heroes?


The General said don't talk.

Since I wasn't in the trial - I don't know what happened.

Please tell us - so one side can get out the pitchforks.


Based on previous history, I am waiting on TJ or the AB to make a video for us. Laughing


It's a private group for credentialed COG ministers. I cannot join.
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Not guilty of unbecoming conduct by majority vote of the EC-appointed General Trial Board. Not sure what to think of that, but apparently it was not unanimous.

Admonished to use greater discretion in his use of social media in accordance with the Minutes, Instructions for Ministers, Responsible Use of Social Media.
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Post See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil? Mat
Quiet Wyatt wrote:
Not guilty of unbecoming conduct by majority vote of the EC-appointed General Trial Board. Not sure what to think of that, but apparently it was not unanimous.

Admonished to use greater discretion in his use of social media in accordance with the Minutes, Instructions for Ministers, Responsible Use of Social Media.


Just to be clear, no matter what a person of influence or authority puts on their social media, the problem is letting others know about it?

Celebrating a same-sex wedding/marriage on social media is not the problem, but someone else pointing it out is?

Being in communion with a church that ordains sodomites, blesses same-sex marriage, encourages gender confusion and woke theology is OK and acceptable on social media, but "naming names" of those who do such things is not?

Its a "kill-the-messenger" mentality and a "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" mandate.

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Quiet Wyatt wrote:
Not guilty of unbecoming conduct by majority vote of the EC-appointed General Trial Board. Not sure what to think of that, but apparently it was not unanimous.

Admonished to use greater discretion in his use of social media in accordance with the Minutes, Instructions for Ministers, Responsible Use of Social Media.


Majority vote?
Who are the men on this examining board?
Are they ashamed to let us know?
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Nature Boy Florida wrote:
Quiet Wyatt wrote:
Not guilty of unbecoming conduct by majority vote of the EC-appointed General Trial Board. Not sure what to think of that, but apparently it was not unanimous.

Admonished to use greater discretion in his use of social media in accordance with the Minutes, Instructions for Ministers, Responsible Use of Social Media.


Majority vote?
Who are the men on this examining board?
Are they ashamed to let us know?
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Nature Boy Florida wrote:
Quiet Wyatt wrote:
Not guilty of unbecoming conduct by majority vote of the EC-appointed General Trial Board. Not sure what to think of that, but apparently it was not unanimous.

Admonished to use greater discretion in his use of social media in accordance with the Minutes, Instructions for Ministers, Responsible Use of Social Media.


Majority vote?
Who are the men on this examining board?
Are they ashamed to let us know?


Neither the names of those on the trial board nor their votes were included in the statement released by the General Overseer. Also, what specifically TJ posted that was somehow lacking in discretion was not stated in the release.
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Quiet Wyatt wrote:
Nature Boy Florida wrote:
Quiet Wyatt wrote:
Not guilty of unbecoming conduct by majority vote of the EC-appointed General Trial Board. Not sure what to think of that, but apparently it was not unanimous.

Admonished to use greater discretion in his use of social media in accordance with the Minutes, Instructions for Ministers, Responsible Use of Social Media.


Majority vote?
Who are the men on this examining board?
Are they ashamed to let us know?


Neither the names of those on the trial board nor their votes were included in the statement released by the General Overseer. Also, what specifically TJ posted that was somehow lacking in discretion was not stated in the release.


I know.

It doesn't seem transparent to me.

I'd like to know the names and what exactly Travis can't do anymore. It seems to me we didn't need charges and trial boards and executive committee meetings to tell Travis you hurt a guys feelings by reporting the things he had already posted.

Any man involved in charging Travis frivolously (or not stopping it from happening) should tender their resignation. That's what a man would do. Admit they let something that should not have happened take place. Here is my resignation. Evil or Very Mad
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The Tennessee State AB should have never let this get to this point. If these are reasonable CHRISTIAN men, the right thing to do would have been to set them down at a table and meditate an acceptable solution. Assuming, of course, there are no hidden agendas.
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Post Re: See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil? fire-starter
Mat wrote:
Quiet Wyatt wrote:
Not guilty of unbecoming conduct by majority vote of the EC-appointed General Trial Board. Not sure what to think of that, but apparently it was not unanimous.

Admonished to use greater discretion in his use of social media in accordance with the Minutes, Instructions for Ministers, Responsible Use of Social Media.


Just to be clear, no matter what a person of influence or authority puts on their social media, the problem is letting others know about it?

Celebrating a same-sex wedding/marriage on social media is not the problem, but someone else pointing it out is?

Being in communion with a church that ordains sodomites, blesses same-sex marriage, encourages gender confusion and woke theology is OK and acceptable on social media, but "naming names" of those who do such things is not?

Its a "kill-the-messenger" mentality and a "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" mandate.

Mat



I disagree with this perspective. If a minister sees something on social media that alarms them, there are a handful of things they can and should do before sharing it on social media-- especially when they share on social media with an ominous caption or a caption that indicates wrong-doing without first knowing the whole story. For instance, contact the person who posted the alarming media, contact their pastor, or contact their state leadership. Even then, I don't think social media is the place Christians should be maligning one another. This seems to me like common sense etiquette for professional ministers.
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FLRon wrote:
The Tennessee State AB should have never let this get to this point. If these are reasonable CHRISTIAN men, the right thing to do would have been to set them down at a table and meditate an acceptable solution. Assuming, of course, there are no hidden agendas.


We will probably never know the real truth.
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I hope Travis Johnson gets elected to the EC at the General Aseembly. I think he’d be a GREAT General Overseer.

I really hope TWD isn’t elected to anything unless he publicly repents for his pivotal role in this absolutely ridiculous, politically motivated clown show.
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FLRon wrote:
The Tennessee State AB should have never let this get to this point. If these are reasonable CHRISTIAN men, the right thing to do would have been to set them down at a table and meditate an acceptable solution. Assuming, of course, there are no hidden agendas.


TJ could have done that himself, rather than re-sharing the post to a social media group. Thats the Christian thing to do. Any and all else is at best gossip and at worst defamation of character.
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Mat wrote:
Quiet Wyatt wrote:
Not guilty of unbecoming conduct by majority vote of the EC-appointed General Trial Board. Not sure what to think of that, but apparently it was not unanimous.

Admonished to use greater discretion in his use of social media in accordance with the Minutes, Instructions for Ministers, Responsible Use of Social Media.


Just to be clear, no matter what a person of influence or authority puts on their social media, the problem is letting others know about it?

Celebrating a same-sex wedding/marriage on social media is not the problem, but someone else pointing it out is?

Being in communion with a church that ordains sodomites, blesses same-sex marriage, encourages gender confusion and woke theology is OK and acceptable on social media, but "naming names" of those who do such things is not?

Its a "kill-the-messenger" mentality and a "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" mandate.

Mat



The professor was not on trial. The professor still apparently sees nothing wrong with celebrating his wife’s joining the LGBTQETC-affirming Episcopal Church, nor with taking communion with a pro-abomination religious organization. LeeU admin obviously sees nothing wrong with it, either.

Travis had charges of unbecoming conduct (defamation of character, I believe) filed against him by the professor, who, while not a credentialed CoG minister, is apparently a member at Westmore CoG, and therefore, was within his rights to file charges against Travis.

Evidently, when a face-to-face meeting between Travis and the prof did not resolve the situation to the TN AB’s satisfaction, against the advice of the EC, the AB decided to move things up a notch to a trial for unbecoming conduct. In keeping with the Minutes, Travis requested a trial at the international level, which would be unappealable. That request was granted, effectively removing the TN AB and a TN trial board out of the picture.

So it would not be accurate to classify this whole thing as “shoot the messenger,” if by that you mean Travis was being attacked from the top level of the denomination, at least. It is not clear what the TN AB’s reasoning or motives might have been for pursuing this as he did.
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FLRon wrote:
The Tennessee State AB should have never let this get to this point. If these are reasonable CHRISTIAN men, the right thing to do would have been to set them down at a table and meditate an acceptable solution. Assuming, of course, there are no hidden agendas.


TJ could have done that himself, rather than re-sharing the post to a social media group. Thats the Christian thing to do. Any and all else is at best gossip and at worst defamation of character.


Your defamation of character charge is ridiculous. Travis made up nothing - in fact, he posted only what the professor had posted. So, if anyone defamed anyone - he defamed himself. Perhaps Dority can bring him up on charges for defaming a Lee Professor.

TJ didn't talk to the Professor because the post was directed at the leadership of Lee, not him. The professor is free to do whatever he wants to do - he hasn't done anything criminal. He was proud of his actions and that is his right to do so. But, should the Lee admins have a sit down with him - and all the other professors parading around in vagina hats and such. Again, vagina hats are ok too. but should the Lee admin have a discussion with that professor as well?

This offended professor was only one of many object lessons for Lee Admin not doing their jobs.

I'm afraid folks that characterize it any other way take the heat off the Lee admins - which I think was the whole point to begin with.

SO - firestarter before you post anything else - shouldn't you have a sit down with me before you offend me and try to make me look bad. That might defame me. I seriously can't believe you would post something contradictory about me without sitting down and discussing it with me first.

For shame.

Bad firestarter.

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