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| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | | Link wrote: | | spartanfan wrote: | | I've won argument after argument here against drinking alcoholic beverages for any reason. Finally the science is catching up with the Bible. |
A really good reason was at the Last Supper when Jesus said, 'Drink ye all of it....." obeying Jesus is a good reason. Using grape juice instead of kosher win that one week out of the year was illegal. |
Can't understand your sentence.
But you seemed to say that they needed to follow Jewish law at the last supper. |
No, I am saying that 'real wine' was served at Passover. Jesus commanded the disciples to drink.
If Jesus told them to drink a beverage with alcohol in it, the fact that Jesus commanded it was reason enough to do it.
The early church drank a beverage with alcohol in it. There was excess in Corinth mentioned in chapter 11, when they were having what was supposed to be the Lord's Supper, but they were eating their own supper. Paul said, "One man was hungry, and another was drunken." Clearly, there was a problem of excess. But Paul did not go all teetotaler on them and correct them by saying it was a sin to drink alcohol. He did tell them it was a sin to fornicate, to commit adultery, etc. But he didn't forbid drinking wine. |
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4/17/23 10:28 am
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| Quiet Wyatt wrote: |
Science now shows there is no good reason and no benefit to drinking alcohol. |
Show me where 'science' says that.... not journalists who don't understand how science or research work well enough to make an accurate headline or description of a study make such claims. The way it is written up indicates the claims of the article can't be verified by the study they are reporting on.
And of course, they do not site the new study so we can look it up. But my guess based on the wording is that it is likely a metanalysis, rather than these researchers actually conducting variations of the old studies while isolating the variables that they are concerned about.
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The only card the pro-drinking crowd have now is the nice feelings they get when they’ve had a few. At that point, stupid has already started to kick in, leading to more drinking and more unwise decisions. |
That's not all. What about Jesus coming eating and drinking, wine being presented in a positive light in some passages, God taking offerings of wine and strong drink in the temple, the Old Testament instructing Israelites to buy a tithe of what their soul desired-- including wine and strong drink, to consume in the place the LORD would choose, the fact that wine was used at Passover in the first century, that the early church used wine for communion, and that we participate in the body and blood of Jesus when we partake of communion, and show forth the Lord's death until He comes.
Wine is also a source of calories, probably something not as important to fat Americans as it was among first century Mediterranian cultures trying to preserve the calories and other nutrients from their grapes to consume in the winter months and other times of the year. |
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| Link wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: |
Science now shows there is no good reason and no benefit to drinking alcohol. |
Show me where 'science' says that.... not journalists who don't understand how science or research work well enough to make an accurate headline or description of a study make such claims. The way it is written up indicates the claims of the article can't be verified by the study they are reporting on.
And of course, they do not site the new study so we can look it up. But my guess based on the wording is that it is likely a metanalysis, rather than these researchers actually conducting variations of the old studies while isolating the variables that they are concerned about.
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The only card the pro-drinking crowd have now is the nice feelings they get when they’ve had a few. At that point, stupid has already started to kick in, leading to more drinking and more unwise decisions. |
That's not all. What about Jesus coming eating and drinking, wine being presented in a positive light in some passages, God taking offerings of wine and strong drink in the temple, the Old Testament instructing Israelites to buy a tithe of what their soul desired-- including wine and strong drink, to consume in the place the LORD would choose, the fact that wine was used at Passover in the first century, that the early church used wine for communion, and that we participate in the body and blood of Jesus when we partake of communion, and show forth the Lord's death until He comes.
Wine is also a source of calories, probably something not as important to fat Americans as it was among first century Mediterranian cultures trying to preserve the calories and other nutrients from their grapes to consume in the winter months and other times of the year. |
I've learned not to argue with the history-denying, Muslim/Progressive views on alcohol, they will twist scripture like a dishrag to try and squeeze the alcohol out of wine.
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| UncleJD wrote: | | Link wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: |
Science now shows there is no good reason and no benefit to drinking alcohol. |
Show me where 'science' says that.... not journalists who don't understand how science or research work well enough to make an accurate headline or description of a study make such claims. The way it is written up indicates the claims of the article can't be verified by the study they are reporting on.
And of course, they do not site the new study so we can look it up. But my guess based on the wording is that it is likely a metanalysis, rather than these researchers actually conducting variations of the old studies while isolating the variables that they are concerned about.
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The only card the pro-drinking crowd have now is the nice feelings they get when they’ve had a few. At that point, stupid has already started to kick in, leading to more drinking and more unwise decisions. |
That's not all. What about Jesus coming eating and drinking, wine being presented in a positive light in some passages, God taking offerings of wine and strong drink in the temple, the Old Testament instructing Israelites to buy a tithe of what their soul desired-- including wine and strong drink, to consume in the place the LORD would choose, the fact that wine was used at Passover in the first century, that the early church used wine for communion, and that we participate in the body and blood of Jesus when we partake of communion, and show forth the Lord's death until He comes.
Wine is also a source of calories, probably something not as important to fat Americans as it was among first century Mediterranian cultures trying to preserve the calories and other nutrients from their grapes to consume in the winter months and other times of the year. |
I've learned not to argue with the history-denying, Muslim/Progressive views on alcohol, they will twist scripture like a dishrag to try and squeeze the alcohol out of wine. |
Funny but true. |
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