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| That would definitely be interesting and would take a miracle |
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| Kims sister is 10 fold more vicious than her brother. I hope this happens. |
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| We want so much |
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for things to happen so we can feel Jesus instead of trusting in His presence in our lives. This was spoken in 2009 when the president was Kim Jong-il and not the current leader Kim Jong-un who wasn't president until 2011.i Clement said your president who was KIm-Jong -Il.
You have to be right 100% of the time to be a prophet. In 2005 Clement said God would eliminate all virus. That has not come true. He wasn't held accountable.He said the next 4 years 2005 -2008 the greatest harvest ever. Didn't come true
https://blog.moriel.org/church-issues-1/false-prophets/18985-kim-clement-another-false-prophecy.html
We strive for anything in hopes to see God working. God is working in us right now .
12 Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good pleasure. 14 Do everything without complaining or arguing,… Philippians 2
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4/26/20 12:08 pm
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| Just a difference of opinion here |
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| I do not believe NT prophesy needs to be 100% right all the time. Big difference between OT and NT standards. According to Paul in 1 Cor. 14 he wishes all of us were prophets. You can also have the Gift of Prophesy and NOT be a prophet. The Holy Spirit clothed OT prophets for a moment at a time whereas NT prophets/prophetic gifted people have the abiding indwelling Spirit all the time. NT prophets can miss it and do often. But what is their track record? How often are they correct? Kim Clement was often correct. Not all the time, but often. |
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| Double posted sorry |
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Darrell Garrett |
| Isn't it funny that the Bible is replete with prophecy that was not fulfilled for hundreds of years, yet some want to judge a prophet because they don't see the answer in 2 weeks? Just saying. |
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| Re: We want so much |
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| autumn trees twice dead wrote: | for things to happen so we can feel Jesus instead of trusting in His presence in our lives. This was spoken in 2009 when the president was Kim Jong-il and not the current leader Kim Jong-un who wasn't president until 2011.i Clement said your president who was KIm-Jong -Il.
You have to be right 100% of the time to be a prophet. In 2005 Clement said God would eliminate all virus. That has not come true. He wasn't held accountable.He said the next 4 years 2005 -2008 the greatest harvest ever. Didn't come true
https://blog.moriel.org/church-issues-1/false-prophets/18985-kim-clement-another-false-prophecy.html
We strive for anything in hopes to see God working. God is working in us right now .
12 Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good pleasure. 14 Do everything without complaining or arguing,… Philippians 2 |
No, I've listened to this several times, and all he says is, "Your president, KIM..."
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| Darrell Garrett wrote: | | Isn't it funny that the Bible is replete with prophecy that was not fulfilled for hundreds of years, yet some want to judge a prophet because they don't see the answer in 2 weeks? Just saying. |
A lot of Pentecostals just don't believe in prophecy anymore. *sheesh*
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| Darrell Garrett wrote: | | Isn't it funny that the Bible is replete with prophecy that was not fulfilled for hundreds of years, yet some want to judge a prophet because they don't see the answer in 2 weeks? Just saying. |
so much justification.
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Darrell Garrett |
| autumn trees twice dead wrote: | | Darrell Garrett wrote: | | Isn't it funny that the Bible is replete with prophecy that was not fulfilled for hundreds of years, yet some want to judge a prophet because they don't see the answer in 2 weeks? Just saying. |
so much justification. |
I could say the same thing for your dismissal. |
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4/26/20 7:17 pm
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autumn trees twice dead |
| Carolyn Smith wrote: | | Darrell Garrett wrote: | | Isn't it funny that the Bible is replete with prophecy that was not fulfilled for hundreds of years, yet some want to judge a prophet because they don't see the answer in 2 weeks? Just saying. |
A lot of Pentecostals just don't believe in prophecy anymore. *sheesh* |
I believe in prophecy as you are trying to make me look like I don't. I just don't believe in false ones as so many disobey 1 Thessalonians 5:21. If you meant me, why don't you ask me instead of falsely jumping to conclusions. Was it because you believe without testing.
It is often the case when the presence of the Lord is slowly drifting away from our consciousness, we look to exterior things to try to duplicate the feeling of the presence of God, I hope you don't belong in that number.
Anyway , before you build up a straw man to belittle, be righteous enough to ask what I believe. I really think that is a very shallow and transparent game. Thank you for future kindness.
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Carolyn Smith |
| autumn trees twice dead wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | | Darrell Garrett wrote: | | Isn't it funny that the Bible is replete with prophecy that was not fulfilled for hundreds of years, yet some want to judge a prophet because they don't see the answer in 2 weeks? Just saying. |
A lot of Pentecostals just don't believe in prophecy anymore. *sheesh* |
I believe in prophecy as you are trying to make me look like I don't. I just don't believe in false ones as so many disobey 1 Thessalonians 5:21. If you meant me, why don't you ask me instead of falsely jumping to conclusions. Was it because you believe without testing.
It is often the case when the presence of the Lord is slowly drifting away from our consciousness, we look to exterior things to try to duplicate the feeling of the presence of God, I hope you don't belong in that number.
Anyway , before you build up a straw man to belittle, be righteous enough to ask what I believe. I really think that is a very shallow and transparent game. Thank you for future kindness. |
I didn't mean you, Autumn Trees, and I stand by what I said. A lot of Pentecostals don't believe in prophecy. If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, then ignore it.
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4/26/20 7:28 pm
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autumn trees twice dead |
| Carolyn Smith wrote: | | autumn trees twice dead wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | | Darrell Garrett wrote: | | Isn't it funny that the Bible is replete with prophecy that was not fulfilled for hundreds of years, yet some want to judge a prophet because they don't see the answer in 2 weeks? Just saying. |
A lot of Pentecostals just don't believe in prophecy anymore. *sheesh* |
I believe in prophecy as you are trying to make me look like I don't. I just don't believe in false ones as so many disobey 1 Thessalonians 5:21. If you meant me, why don't you ask me instead of falsely jumping to conclusions. Was it because you believe without testing.
It is often the case when the presence of the Lord is slowly drifting away from our consciousness, we look to exterior things to try to duplicate the feeling of the presence of God, I hope you don't belong in that number.
Anyway , before you build up a straw man to belittle, be righteous enough to ask what I believe. I really think that is a very shallow and transparent game. Thank you for future kindness. |
I didn't mean you, Autumn Trees, and I stand by what I said. A lot of Pentecostals don't believe in prophecy. If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, then ignore it. |
well where did that statement come from. Nobody else stated that it was false. Do you always change a subject?
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Carolyn Smith |
| autumn trees twice dead wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | | autumn trees twice dead wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | | Darrell Garrett wrote: | | Isn't it funny that the Bible is replete with prophecy that was not fulfilled for hundreds of years, yet some want to judge a prophet because they don't see the answer in 2 weeks? Just saying. |
A lot of Pentecostals just don't believe in prophecy anymore. *sheesh* |
I believe in prophecy as you are trying to make me look like I don't. I just don't believe in false ones as so many disobey 1 Thessalonians 5:21. If you meant me, why don't you ask me instead of falsely jumping to conclusions. Was it because you believe without testing.
It is often the case when the presence of the Lord is slowly drifting away from our consciousness, we look to exterior things to try to duplicate the feeling of the presence of God, I hope you don't belong in that number.
Anyway , before you build up a straw man to belittle, be righteous enough to ask what I believe. I really think that is a very shallow and transparent game. Thank you for future kindness. |
I didn't mean you, Autumn Trees, and I stand by what I said. A lot of Pentecostals don't believe in prophecy. If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, then ignore it. |
well where did that statement come from. Nobody else stated that it was false. Do you always change a subject? |
You said, "or things to happen so we can feel Jesus instead of trusting in His presence in our lives. This was spoken in 2009 when the president was Kim Jong-il and not the current leader Kim Jong-un who wasn't president until 2011.i Clement said your president who was KIm-Jong -Il.
You have to be right 100% of the time to be a prophet. In 2005 Clement said God would eliminate all virus. That has not come true. He wasn't held accountable.He said the next 4 years 2005 -2008 the greatest harvest ever. Didn't come true..."
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You said he was wrong. Now you're saying you didn't???? You also posted a link about false prophets.
I really don't want to argue about this. If you believe in prophecy, fine. You're the one who said or at least implied he was a false prophet.
I just thought it was interesting. If you don't want to believe it, that is up to you.
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4/26/20 7:52 pm
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| Which Kim |
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He says, "Kim, it is now time for you to face this that is done . . ."
Kim is like our last name here in the US.
The founder - Kim Il-sung (grandfather of current leader) ruled from 1948 until his death on 8 July 1994
The next leader - Kim Jong-il (father of current leader) ruled from 8 July 1994 – 17 December 2011
Current leader - Kim Jong-un assumed leadership on 17 December 2011
Current leader's younger sister - Kim Yo-jong
Current leader's exiled half-brother who was assassination - Kim Jong-nam
Current leader's aunt, Kim Kyong-hui, sister of Kim Jong-il, daughter of Kim Il-sung. |
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autumn trees twice dead |
| Carolyn Smith wrote: | | autumn trees twice dead wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | | autumn trees twice dead wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | | Darrell Garrett wrote: | | Isn't it funny that the Bible is replete with prophecy that was not fulfilled for hundreds of years, yet some want to judge a prophet because they don't see the answer in 2 weeks? Just saying. |
A lot of Pentecostals just don't believe in prophecy anymore. *sheesh* |
I believe in prophecy as you are trying to make me look like I don't. I just don't believe in false ones as so many disobey 1 Thessalonians 5:21. If you meant me, why don't you ask me instead of falsely jumping to conclusions. Was it because you believe without testing.
It is often the case when the presence of the Lord is slowly drifting away from our consciousness, we look to exterior things to try to duplicate the feeling of the presence of God, I hope you don't belong in that number.
Anyway , before you build up a straw man to belittle, be righteous enough to ask what I believe. I really think that is a very shallow and transparent game. Thank you for future kindness. |
I didn't mean you, Autumn Trees, and I stand by what I said. A lot of Pentecostals don't believe in prophecy. If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, then ignore it. |
well where did that statement come from. Nobody else stated that it was false. Do you always change a subject? |
You said, "or things to happen so we can feel Jesus instead of trusting in His presence in our lives. This was spoken in 2009 when the president was Kim Jong-il and not the current leader Kim Jong-un who wasn't president until 2011.i Clement said your president who was KIm-Jong -Il.
You have to be right 100% of the time to be a prophet. In 2005 Clement said God would eliminate all virus. That has not come true. He wasn't held accountable.He said the next 4 years 2005 -2008 the greatest harvest ever. Didn't come true..."
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You said he was wrong. Now you're saying you didn't???? You also posted a link about false prophets.
I really don't want to argue about this. If you believe in prophecy, fine. You're the one who said or at least implied he was a false prophet.
I just thought it was interesting. If you don't want to believe it, that is up to you. |
I see total failure to read and understand James 1:19. When did I say he wasn't? Show me. Too man are so quick to defend their posts that they jump to conclusions. I stand by 1 John 4 and acts 17:11. You say you don't want to argue, but you post your say and then act if I reply it is arguing. W have lost the ability to discuss when a person has a difference of opinion as you showed. Show me where I took back my comments on Clement. I see so much rush to defend that people don't take the time to know what they are posting. This is not good.
I will say it. Clements is a false prophet. You can try to defend it by putting a spin all you want.
Again, please take the time to comprehend what I wrote before answering me according to James 1:19.
Why have I seen so little us of scripture in this forum since I came in. One would think that would be the main thing used in a discussion. Now since you don't want to "argue" I guess you won't be replying so let me ask that the Lord would richly bless you.
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| autumn trees twice dead wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | | autumn trees twice dead wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | | autumn trees twice dead wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | | Darrell Garrett wrote: | | Isn't it funny that the Bible is replete with prophecy that was not fulfilled for hundreds of years, yet some want to judge a prophet because they don't see the answer in 2 weeks? Just saying. |
A lot of Pentecostals just don't believe in prophecy anymore. *sheesh* |
I believe in prophecy as you are trying to make me look like I don't. I just don't believe in false ones as so many disobey 1 Thessalonians 5:21. If you meant me, why don't you ask me instead of falsely jumping to conclusions. Was it because you believe without testing.
It is often the case when the presence of the Lord is slowly drifting away from our consciousness, we look to exterior things to try to duplicate the feeling of the presence of God, I hope you don't belong in that number.
Anyway , before you build up a straw man to belittle, be righteous enough to ask what I believe. I really think that is a very shallow and transparent game. Thank you for future kindness. |
I didn't mean you, Autumn Trees, and I stand by what I said. A lot of Pentecostals don't believe in prophecy. If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, then ignore it. |
well where did that statement come from. Nobody else stated that it was false. Do you always change a subject? |
You said, "or things to happen so we can feel Jesus instead of trusting in His presence in our lives. This was spoken in 2009 when the president was Kim Jong-il and not the current leader Kim Jong-un who wasn't president until 2011.i Clement said your president who was KIm-Jong -Il.
You have to be right 100% of the time to be a prophet. In 2005 Clement said God would eliminate all virus. That has not come true. He wasn't held accountable.He said the next 4 years 2005 -2008 the greatest harvest ever. Didn't come true..."
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You said he was wrong. Now you're saying you didn't???? You also posted a link about false prophets.
I really don't want to argue about this. If you believe in prophecy, fine. You're the one who said or at least implied he was a false prophet.
I just thought it was interesting. If you don't want to believe it, that is up to you. |
I see total failure to read and understand James 1:19. When did I say he wasn't?
Show me. Too man are so quick to defend their posts that they jump to conclusions. I stand by 1 John 4 and acts 17:11. You say you don't want to argue, but you post your say and then act if I reply it is arguing. W have lost the ability to discuss when a person has a difference of opinion as you showed. Show me where I took back my comments on Clement. I see so much rush to defend that people don't take the time to know what they are posting. This is not good.
I will say it. Clements is a false prophet. You can try to defend it by putting a spin all you want.
Again, please take the time to comprehend what I wrote before answering me according to James 1:19.
Why have I seen so little us of scripture in this forum since I came in. One would think that would be the main thing used in a discussion. Now since you don't want to "argue" I guess you won't be replying so let me ask that the Lord would richly bless you. |
I just quoted what you said, and you said you didn't say it, so whatever! I am perfectly willing to have an intelligent conversation, but now you are saying you didn't say what you did.
I didn't post this to have an argument. I posted it because I thought it was interesting and thought someone else might, too. If you disagree, that is up to you.
I was actually replying to Darrell's post when I said a lot of people don't believe in prophecy, and I quoted him in that statement. You are the one who took this personally, when I didn't even mean you.
And now it appears you are just trying to yank my chain, so I'm done.
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| autumn trees twice dead wrote: | for things to happen so we can feel Jesus instead of trusting in His presence in our lives. This was spoken in 2009 when the president was Kim Jong-il and not the current leader Kim Jong-un who wasn't president until 2011.i Clement said your president who was KIm-Jong -Il.
You have to be right 100% of the time to be a prophet. In 2005 Clement said God would eliminate all virus. That has not come true. He wasn't held accountable.He said the next 4 years 2005 -2008 the greatest harvest ever. Didn't come true
https://blog.moriel.org/church-issues-1/false-prophets/18985-kim-clement-another-false-prophecy.html
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Where do you get that? Paul said let the prophets speak and others judge. Why judge if they are 100% correct? Does a pastor have to be 100% right all the time to continue being a pastor?
You are describing the OT prophet that does not exist anymore.
Anyway, you do make valid points in your post regarding other things. |
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As I listened to the recording, all I heard was “Kim.†He did not say which Kim would die. At the time of the prophecy in 2009, Kim Jong Il was still the leader of NK. He died in 2011. Clement also said “Now†and “is dead†repeatedly in reference to Kim being brain dead, etc., which did not happen “now†at the time of the prophecy as Clement prophesied. Nor did it happen anywhere close to NOW when he said NOW. This prophecy clearly did not come true.
This is probably just an example of charismatic wishful thinking, “calling those things which be not as though they are,†taking Rom. 4:17 wildly out of context in support of the Kenyonite claim that human ‘little gods’ have the ability to speak things into existence. |
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| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | As I listened to the recording, all I heard was “Kim.†He did not say which Kim would die. At the time of the prophecy in 2009, Kim Jong Il was still the leader of NK. He died in 2011. Clement also said “Now†and “is dead†repeatedly in reference to Kim being brain dead, etc., which did not happen “now†at the time of the prophecy as Clement prophesied. Nor did it happen anywhere close to NOW when he said NOW. This prophecy clearly did not come true.
This is probably just an example of charismatic wishful thinking, “calling those things which be not as though they are,†taking Rom. 4:17 wildly out of context in support of the Kenyonite claim that human ‘little gods’ have the ability to speak things into existence. |
 logical and well thought out answer. I must agree. 
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