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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 7298 **4/28/19 8:16 am**

Emotions?

I have been in services when no announcements, offering, choir or anything else took place.

The Spirit of God began to move immediately as folks entered the sanctuary.

No music, cheer leading or prompting of any kind.

If your experience is based on emotions, I have good news for you.

There is more, deeper and better!
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Dave Dorsey

Dave Dorsey · [Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **4/28/19 9:23 am**

Is it deeper and better than the proclamation of God's word? Because if so, whatever is happening does not align with God's self-revelation of the ministries of the Spirit and the Word in Scripture.

If it's not deeper and better than the Word, than praise God! I also greatly enjoy the moving of God's Spirit as He engrafts God's word into us and changes us and sets us free. This can happen without a formal sermon. But this does not and cannot happen apart from God's word.

That's all I'm saying.

sheepdogandy

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 7298 **4/28/19 9:26 am**

It is the proclamation of the Gospel!

That's the point.

The Holy Spirit IS the evidence of the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

"What meaneth this?"
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Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **4/28/19 9:30 am**

No, He's not. Nowhere in Scripture you will find that. If I'm wrong, please show me.

The proclamation of God's word is the testimony of Jesus. God's Holy Spirit is the witness confirming that the Scripture is true, convicting sinners and assuring the saints.

If you are having a church service and God's word stays closed, it's not deeper and it's not better.

Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **4/28/19 11:02 am**

caseyleejones

I'm with Dave.....what is having church?

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11792 **4/28/19 12:35 pm**

#imwithhim

Nature Boy Florida

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16619 **4/28/19 1:18 pm**

One correction here:
I always want the word preached at church.

But it is a fallacy to say if the worship experience of the people becomes so great that the minister doesn't preach his sermon - that the word of God didn't go forth. I have been in those services, and it is my experience that a LOT of word goes forth...just not from the preacher. Psalms, tongues and interpretations, testimonies ... All of them often had scripture interspersed within them. There may be much emotion mixed in..(we are emotional beings)..but there is usually a lot of the word of God, as well.
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Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **4/28/19 1:38 pm**

NBF, I think that's fair. Earlier I said, regarding God changing His people, "This can happen without a formal sermon. But this does not and cannot happen apart from God's word."

My original point was not to say a sermon must always be preached -- though Scripture is clear IMO that the proclamation of God's word is to be the preeminent, most prominent quality of our gatherings, I cannot find any verse that says there must always be a sermon -- but instead to highlight the Pentecostal tradition of using the absence of a sermon as a barometer of a service's quality.

I get that that's not the intent of the folks making the statement, but I contend the words are reflective of an underlying belief and misunderstanding of the ministries of the Word and the Spirit (as has been demonstrated, IMO, in this thread).

SHINTEX

Original post

Friendly Face Posts: 120 **4/28/19 1:54 pm**

I think we have lost sight of the original post. I was looking forward to hearing how everyoneâ€™s salvation â€œchecklistâ€ had changed over the years.

caseyleejones

me too

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11792 **4/28/19 3:18 pm**

Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **4/28/19 3:21 pm**

I interpreted the rest of the post as meaning other things too, sorry!

I have a friend who is a professing believer but holds to a "safe, legal, rare" view of abortion and doesn't think the OT has any value. I have no other reasons to doubt his profession, but to be honest I'm having trouble marking off my "checklist" because of those two items.

caseyleejones

Does that no fall under murderer?

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11792 **4/28/19 3:25 pm**

Dave Dorsey

Re: Does that no fall under murderer?

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **4/28/19 3:30 pm**

sheepdogandy

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 7298 **4/28/19 4:14 pm**

This morning.

Spiritual choir and special singing.

Three testimonies. (spontaneous)

Intercessory prayer.

The Lord's Supper.

No sermon was needed.

The Word of God did indeed go forth.

With results.

I don't know where you go to church Dave.

But punishing folks with a sermon is not how I roll.
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Charles A. Hutchins
Senior Pastor SPWC
Congregational Church of God

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Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **4/28/19 4:25 pm**

sheepdogandy

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 7298 **4/28/19 4:37 pm**

Hey, I've been there.

Following a move of the Spirit, the preacher insists on preaching.

Kills the service dead as a hammer.

The people indeed feel as if they are being punished for worshiping before Bro So and So preaches.

Preacher ego is what I call it.
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Charles A. Hutchins
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Congregational Church of God

www.spwc.church

Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **4/28/19 4:39 pm**

My original point, in the second post of this thread, was to suggest that people who make the statement I referenced have an impoverished view of Scripture.

I could not possibly make that point any more effectively than you are right now.

Maybe you should ask yourself why a transition to the preaching of God's word kills all the energy and excitement in your people?

Cojak

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24277 **4/28/19 8:57 pm**

To the OP, yes my friend I remember if a man (boy) happened to 'slip' and say a bad word, he was a sinner NOT saved by grace and must go back and seek salvation, sanctification and the Baptism. OR WORSE he would fail and smoke a cigarette. He was definitely headed for hell.

But on the Hijack, I must say, Maybe in the COG whenthe HG took over and the preacher did not get to preach, Maybe God had not given the message to the pastor for that time. Shocked

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Cojak

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24277 **4/28/19 9:01 pm**

PS: Punishment?
I have heard sermons that did punish the congregation in my visits to churches. Once in Gila Bend, AZ, at an Assembly of God the pastor spent an hour berating his two sons on the front row for their sins. I felt a little punished since the church had no A/C! LOL Yes we laughed later. Smile

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sheepdogandy

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 7298 **4/29/19 9:13 am**

Uncle Dave.

Where do you go to Church?
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Senior Pastor SPWC
Congregational Church of God

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