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 Good discussion question--What good does it do to pray for someone? |
roughridercog |
For example, their salvation, when their own free will cancels out the prayer. Thought this would make interesting discussion.
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Quiet Wyatt |
Great topic. My understanding, as one who affirms libertarian free will, is that we pray for the Holy Spirit to enlighten, convict, and influence the sinner to come to salvation in Christ, which is of course God’s will, in my view of the Scriptures. So while it does not override their free will, prayer definitely brings a more intense divine influence upon the one being prayed for. If prayer actually was just inconsequential, why would Jesus have prayed for his disciples, that their faith fail not, etc.?
Then again, from the deterministic point of view of, say, Calvinism or even traditional Arminianism, prayer is simply a predetermined means to a predetermined end. As one who affirms libertarian freedom, however, I don’t find predeterminism persuasive or satisfying philosophically. |
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12/20/18 1:50 pm
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| Roughrider...just read this yesterday, I think... |
Aaron Scott |
Someone was terminally ill, but instead of praying for themselves, they were praying for their unsaved neighbor/friend.
When the sick man died, his neighbor was told of the man's prayers for him. It touched the man's heart, and he gave his life to the Lord.
Sometimes, prayer demonstrates concern for someone. And sometimes that is very powerful. |
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| Re: Roughrider...just read this yesterday, I think... |
roughridercog |
| Aaron Scott wrote: | Someone was terminally ill, but instead of praying for themselves, they were praying for their unsaved neighbor/friend.
When the sick man died, his neighbor was told of the man's prayers for him. It touched the man's heart, and he gave his life to the Lord.
Sometimes, prayer demonstrates concern for someone. And sometimes that is very powerful. |
That is so great to hear.
An area that I think about is praying for lost loved ones. We can pray for them, but what if they continually reject Christ. Our prayers can't make someone get saved.
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JLarry |
My son, now 48 yrs old has not been to church since his childhood. No interest in the things of God.
About 6 months ago he got up one Sunday morning and went to church. Now he is on fire for the Lord.
His mother and I prayed for many years for this to happen. Now he is trying to get our other son in church. In fact as I type this he is working on his brother. Even though he loves his church he has agreed to attend another church so his brother will go.
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Quiet Wyatt |
| I know it will not satisfy a skeptic (nothing will, really), but there’s not a doubt in my mind that I would have never come back to God if not for the faithful, broken-hearted, love and prayers of my Dad during my stupid years of trying to run from God. |
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Dean Steenburgh |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | I know it will not satisfy a skeptic (nothing will, really), but there’s not a doubt in my mind that I would have never come back to God if not for the faithful, broken-hearted, love and prayers of my Dad during my stupid years of trying to run from God. |
This gives me hope for my oldest son who is a wonderful man & who at one point felt a call on his life but influencers got in the way.
I covet your prayers for Joe & Ashley that God will make a way in their hearts & lives to turn their hearts back to Him.
I know for a fact Ashley's mom & dad would love that.
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Cojak |
| JLarry wrote: | My son, now 48 yrs old has not been to church since his childhood. No interest in the things of God.
About 6 months ago he got up one Sunday morning and went to church. Now he is on fire for the Lord.
His mother and I prayed for many years for this to happen. Now he is trying to get our other son in church. In fact as I type this he is working on his brother. Even though he loves his church he has agreed to attend another church so his brother will go. |
Love that my friend. SWEET! 
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Cojak |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | I know it will not satisfy a skeptic (nothing will, really), but there’s not a doubt in my mind that I would have never come back to God if not for the faithful, broken-hearted, love and prayers of my Dad during my stupid years of trying to run from God. |
I concur my friend. In my crazy atheistic condition, my dear wife, the only one who knew my condition, prayed silently for me for years. Never 'preached to me' just silently followed me over the world until 'her prayers' were answered.
I don't know the REAL WEIGHT of prayer, but it must be pretty high, I cannot explain it, but I do think it works.
May be, it is those sweet unassuming people who believe God Answers Prayer, and do not stop, that makes it work.
Any one here know Jimmy Cotter? My daddy told me Jimmy just could not leave the booze alone. He would come to church pray his heart out, last a month and get drunk. After a few times, Hubert Hall came to dad and said we need to go pray for Jimmy, his wife says he is drunk again. Daddy said he told Bro Hall, not again. He is impossible. I am not going. Bro Hall insisted and dad gave in. Jimmy was truly delivered that time and became a great worker for the Lord. Daddy always said after that, "I will never give up praying for someone, God showed me it is too important."
HUbert and Jimmy became ministers of the Gospel. I can't define what prayer does, but I am sure it works, doesn't it? 
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