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Nature Boy Florida |
Just 54 million.
Where is old timer when you need him?
It appears Jesse is trying to keep up with Copeland. I guess his faith looks weak if he can't have the latest and greatest.
I hope all of you preachers realize how greedy this makes all of you look.
All you widows sending God $15 through Jesse need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Somebody needs to stand up to these clowns.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/29/louisiana-televangelist-seeks-donations-for-54m-private-jet-report.html
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Come on... it is a necessary expense.... when overseers stop using chartered planes to make it to camp meetings to campaign for general assembly then I will complain. (Probably not). Don’t pretend that hasn’t happened.
I have worked with a handfuls pastors that have planes nothing wrong with it. Especially when one ministry’s plane was the first to land with supplies after the Nepal and Hatti earthquakes even before the Red Cross. What people don’t know about crefflo dollar’s plane was that they had a bad landing and nearly crashed off the run with his family on board he wanted a safe and more capable plane that could handle the load of a having an international ministry on 6 continents.
It wasn’t long ago that I saw Perry Stone and Jentezen Franklin video Periscope there plane leaking fuel out of an engine and make an emergency landing in Roanoke Virginia. They were on the plane acting like that periscope was there last will and testament.
Here is the video of the emergency plane landing
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1PlKQZrNmPBGE
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5/29/18 12:58 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
| SouthFloridaman wrote: | | Come on... it is a necessary expenses.... |
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SouthFloridaman |
Look I love you guys NBF and Dave. All I am saying is think differently. A plane is a tool for the gospel. It can move missionaries and staff around way more efficiently than a commercial airline can.
Here is a mission for you ? Call delta and ask them how much it would cost to move 1500 pounds of medical supplies, and a 20 person staff to let’s say Indonesia. I want you to see how much it costs. These ministry planes are investments I want you to see how much it costs. These planes are investments. I think the ways for minsters and ministries to mitigate these controversies of a owning a plane is to go the route of letting a non profit under you own it. No one gets franklin graham for Samaritans purse owning Planes. Problem solved. There is a double standard Pentecostals need to be allowed own planes. |
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5/29/18 2:49 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
In 2015, Samaritan's Purse dedicated a hangar in Kenya to store three planes. These planes are used in an area where there aren't roads to some places. The three aircraft were a King Air B200 ($5.8m), a Cessna 208B ($1.8m), and a a DC-3TP ($1.4m).
Duplantis wants a Falcon 7X, which costs $52m, and will be the fourth luxury jet in his fleet.
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Dave Dorsey |
| BTW, the Falcon 7X has enough cargo space to store 19 suitcases. 131 cubic feet. So after Duplantis spends $52m, he's still gonna have to call Delta for help moving that 3/4 ton of medical supplies. |
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Nature Boy Florida |
Don't forget these facts from the same report...
- Jesse also didn't think Jesus would use a donkey if he came today...that shows his mindset.
- Jesse says he really only needs it because he must refuel this jet - and it sometimes cost more to refuel overseas. Hmmm, how much extra fuel charge would it take to make the 52 million outlay a wise investment? It doesn't take too many semesters of accounting to see that's quite a few overpriced gallons to get to 52 million.
I truly feel sorry for anyone that feels this is a legit expense.
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SouthFloridaman |
| Dave Dorsey wrote: | | Duplantis wants a Falcon 7X, which costs $52m, and will be the fourth luxury jet in his fleet. |
Watch the video in question
https://youtu.be/1VZgH3ATm9M
Jesse doesn’t own 3 planes. He owned 3 planes. If you watch the tape to the end you can see that one plane is with a minister in Arkansas and the other plane is owned by a South American pastor doing missions work.
| Quote: | | In 2015, Samaritan's Purse dedicated a hangar in Kenya to store three planes. These planes are used in an area where there aren't roads to some places. The three aircraft were a King Air B200 ($5.8m), a Cessna 208B ($1.8m), and a a DC-3TP ($1.4m). |
Those planes in Kenya own by Samaritan’s purse are just 3 planes in there fleet. Also those planes are not intercontinental planes. Those 3 planes are at best local supply planes. Yes they will be cheap they can’t cross oceans. Now if you expect me to believe those are the only planes the Grahams own you got another thing coming. I also know they use various means to avoid them being detected as the planes owners. Meaning shell organizations. They do this to avoid controversy. Also nothing wrong with them having planes. Just don’t think they don’t have it. I wish the church owned delta for all i care. I am just saying don’t have double standards. Jesse is a Good God fearing man. |
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With awful doctrine.
Not a WoFer bone in me. 
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SouthFloridaman |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Don't forget these facts from the same report...
- Jesse also didn't think Jesus would use a donkey if he came today...that shows his mindset.
I truly feel sorry for anyone that feels this is a legit expense. |
I truly feel sorry for anyone who think jesus would not use all available means to preach the Gospel. I guess some are content with and stand with Judas when that woman broke the alabaster box. That was a years wages. Oh my that was too expensive... But Jesus rebuked then and said what the women did was beautiful. Jesus used a boat to preach and travel.... someone could complain and say why did Jesus need the boat. Please people let the elevator go to the top. People those were the extent of transportation in the ancient world.
| Quote: | | - Jesse says he really only needs it because he must refuel this jet - and it sometimes cost more to refuel overseas. Hmmm, how much extra fuel charge would it take to make the 52 million outlay a wise investment? It doesn't take too many semesters of accounting to see that's quite a few overpriced gallons to get to 52 million. |
Fuel is not the only expense in refueling a plane. Landing is the most wear and tear a plane can experience. Plane tires only last x number of landings. So put this into consideration your paying to land and park your plane. You are also dealing with landing a plane in a foreign country that has foreign landing fees and taxes. Also they would not think twice about throwing you in jail to extort you for money. I have an evangelist friend who talks about if you go into customs of a foreign country and you claim the cash on you they will say 1 for me and 1 for your.. meaning I want half of what you have. If you don’t comply they will extort you. By law you have to claim the cash so there isn’t an honest way around it. Not every nation is like the USA. |
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Jesse Duplantis is a wolf in sheeps clothing,cut from the same cloth as Dollar,Copeland,Hinn,and others. Like all of them, he uses just enough gospel to dupe the masses into believing he is a man of gawd.
Using an open mind, try spending a little time comparing his words with the real Gospel. When I think of how many struggling ministers are out there barely getting by, and then see this charlatan fleecing people who should know better,I wonder how he sleeps at night.
Then again, something tells me he has no problem doing so.
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Nature Boy Florida |
| SouthFloridaman wrote: | | Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Don't forget these facts from the same report...
- Jesse also didn't think Jesus would use a donkey if he came today...that shows his mindset.
I truly feel sorry for anyone that feels this is a legit expense. |
I truly feel sorry for anyone who think jesus would not use all available means to preach the Gospel. I guess some are content with and stand with Judas when that woman broke the alabaster box. That was a years wages. Oh my that was too expensive... But Jesus rebuked then and said what the women did was beautiful. Jesus used a boat to preach and travel.... someone could complain and say why did Jesus need the boat. Please people let the elevator go to the top. People those were the extent of transportation in the ancient world.
| Quote: | | - Jesse says he really only needs it because he must refuel this jet - and it sometimes cost more to refuel overseas. Hmmm, how much extra fuel charge would it take to make the 52 million outlay a wise investment? It doesn't take too many semesters of accounting to see that's quite a few overpriced gallons to get to 52 million. |
Fuel is not the only expense in refueling a plane. Landing is the most wear and tear a plane can experience. Plane tires only last x number of landings. So put this into consideration your paying to land and park your plane. You are also dealing with landing a plane in a foreign country that has foreign landing fees and taxes. Also they would not think twice about throwing you in jail to extort you for money. I have an evangelist friend who talks about if you go into customs of a foreign country and you claim the cash on you they will say 1 for me and 1 for your.. meaning I want half of what you have. If you don’t comply they will extort you. By law you have to claim the cash so there isn’t an honest way around it. Not every nation is like the USA. |
Sorry man. Looks like this will be one we disagree on.
You are defending the plane - but is his home a modest 1800 ft square home. If it is larger - wouldn't Jesus sell that home to provide for the ministry that desperately needs a 50+ million jet.
What about his personal bank account? How much did Jesus have in the bank?
Jesus didn't even have a home.
It's not faith - it's greed. It's turning the gospel into a way to get money from people. I just can't see it any other way - so we must disagree here.
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[quote="Nature Boy Florida"][quote="SouthFloridaman"] | Nature Boy Florida wrote: | ...
Sorry man. Looks like this will be one we disagree on.
You are defending the plane - but is his home a modest 1800 ft square home. If it is larger - wouldn't Jesus sell that home to provide for the ministry that desperately needs a 50+ million jet.
What about his personal bank account? How much did Jesus have in the bank?
Jesus didn't even have a home.
It's not faith - it's greed. It's turning the gospel into a way to get money from people. I just can't see it any other way - so we must disagree here. |
I must agree with NBF here. Jesus could have had a chariot and the best steeds, but he did borrow a donkey. There doesn't seem to be any pretense of showing the best of earthly goods in our Lord . 
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Mat |
He must need a better plane, the article says his only 68. By his looks and the time he's been around, I thought he had to be near 80. He's showing the miles for sure. However, how much would First Class tickets cost and how long would it take to reach $50M?
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Cojak |
| Mat wrote: | He must need a better plane, the article says his only 68. By his looks and the time he's been around, I thought he had to be near 80. He's showing the miles for sure. However, how much would First Class tickets cost and how long would it take to reach $50M?
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Some of my peon thinking also. Especially if you have someone to make the arrangements for you and you are eligible for the 'fast-thru' lines where you do not have to wait like the peons. You can be at the airport 30 minutes early ans still have time to relax with a cup of coffee! I have a friend whose life is travel and he says the connections are the same as they were 30 years ago. Zip right into your plane. 
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Convenience with "need". There are legitimate expenses that a ministry must endure. Being a pastor with a yearly budget south of 500 thousand, I do not pretend to understand the line items of a world-wide ministry like Jesse's. However, even on a meager budget, there are decisions we all have to make based on "is this something we NEED, or simply something we WANT?"
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Cojak |
| lesserpower wrote: | | Convenience with "need". There are legitimate expenses that a ministry must endure. Being a pastor with a yearly budget south of 500 thousand, I do not pretend to understand the line items of a world-wide ministry like Jesse's. However, even on a meager budget, there are decisions we all have to make based on "is this something we NEED, or simply something we WANT?" |
LP, I was raised in a parsonage by a dedicated man. Dad considered himself over looking 'God's Money', and it was used frugally and carefully. He was definitely a 'debt free' believer and took his responsibility seriously knowing GOD was his overseer.
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Quiet Wyatt |
This really has to do with whether or not the WoF health and wealth gospel is true. If it is, then Duplantis’ ministry has the obvious smile of God upon it. If on the other hand the prosperity gospel is false, well then he is quite obviously a major false teacher/prophet. Can sanity be found somewhere in the middle?
It seems to me that what the WoF message itself calls us to deal with is the question of extremes. As far as I know, all Pentecostals believe in divine healing being in the atonement and also believe in miracles and even financial miracles. What the WoF message does is it takes these core ideas in Pentecostalism (divine healing and miracles available today), to their extreme by saying that it is always God’s will not only to heal you and provide for you, but that divine HEALTH and WEALTH are God’s perfect will for us in this life.
I recall hearing a good Bible college professor I knew saying, “Heresy is just truth pressed out of measure.†I think one major problem with the WoF teaching is, “How does one define how prosperous is too prosperous?†Major Pentecostal denoms such as the AG used to have planes for their missions departments (I am not sure if they do now). Was that excessive? I’m sure some felt it was.
I would say that a multimillion-dollar jet would not be necessary for the spread of the gospel or the facilitation of ministry, but really, the problem is much deeper than that. The problem as I see it is, “How do we determine how much is too much? How do we determine where to draw the line on prosperity?†|
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| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | The problem as I see it is, “How do we determine how much is too much? How do we determine where to draw the line on prosperity?†|
That's a great question. 1 Tim 3:7 might be a good place to start. You'll have some people who will despise anything a faith-based organization does, of course, but I suspect most unbelievers who reviewed Samaritan's Purse or the AOG's use of planes for missions would conclude they are reasonable expenditures.
On the other hand, I've heard WoF preachers almost gloat at the reproach their practices bring to the gospel. They don't see it that way, of course -- they think God blesses them as a provocation to others, and to show them how good He is -- but if you've ever followed any of these stories in the mainstream media or have seen the responses of unbelievers, you know these guys do NOT have a good reputation with outsiders. |
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