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My Top Twelve – The Lord’s Day is the First Day of the Week |
Pastor Nations |
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It is historical fact that many of the early Christians were Jews that met in the synagogue on the seventh day.
Then they started to meet on both Saturday and Sunday.
It was common knowledge that over time they transitioned to celebrating the Lord’s Day on the first day of the week as a time of worship and celebration.
My Top Twelve – The Lord’s Day is the First Day of the Week
1.) The New Creation happened on the first day.
2.) Jesus rose from the dead on the first day
3.) The early church met on the first day of the week
Acts 20:7, Revelation 1:10
The phrase the "Lord's Day" appears only once in the Bible in Revelation 1:10 which was written near the end of the first century. It is the English translation of the koine Greek kyriake hemera.
The adjective kyriake ("Lord's") often elided its noun, as in the neuter kyriakon for "Lord's [assembly]", the predecessor of the word "church"; the noun was to be supplied by context.
In Rev. 1:10, the apostle John, used kyriake hemera ("I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day") in a way apparently familiar to his readers. Observers of first-day worship hold that this means he was worshiping on Sunday, resurrection day.
4.) It seemed good to the Holy Ghost to lay upon us no greater burden than a few things
Acts 15:28
5.) The Church Fathers very plainly wrote that the first day of the week is the Lord’s Day:
Many examples, here are just a few:
a. Justin Martyr (2nd century):
And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits
But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead.[20]
Others, with greater regard to good manners, it must be confessed, suppose that the sun is the god of the Christians, because it is a well-known fact that we pray towards the east, or because we make Sunday a day of festivity.
By us, to whom Sabbaths are strange, and the new moons and festivals formerly beloved by God,
b. Tertullian (early 3rd century):
writing against Christians who participated in pagan festivals (Saturnalia and New-year), defended the Christian festivity of Lord's Day amidst the accusation of sun-worship, acknowledging that "to [us] Sabbaths are strange" and unobserved
c. The Epistle of Barnabas (not canon, of course):
'And your new moons and sabbaths I cannot endure.' He has therefore abolished these things .... Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens.
6.) The reformation authors refuted the Saturday Sabbath in favor of worship on the first day of the week
a. Luther and Calvin both refuted Saturday Sabbath in favor of Sunday worship
b. The Westminster Confession of Faith (1646) is a good example, too Chapter 21, "Of Religious Worship, and the Sabbath Day". Section 7-8 reads:
As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in his Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, he hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him: which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week, which, in Scripture, is called the Lord’s day, and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.
7.) Many of the church fathers wrote the first day was also the eighth day – (study that one and get blessed)
Many examples, this is just one:
Cyprian, a 3rd-century church father,
For because the eighth day, that is, the first day after the Sabbath, was to be that on which the Lord should rise again, and should quicken us, and give us circumcision of the spirit, the eighth day, that is the first day after the Sabbath, and the Lord's Day, went before in the figure; which figure ceased when by and by the truth came and spiritual circumcision was given to us
8.) The early church actually disputed that their Sunday worship was related to the Roman sun-worship, or to Constantine’s edit, because it was common knowledge the Christians met on Sunday for worship
9.) The Didache refers to the Lord’s Day
10.) We are in a New Covenant – many familiar verses
11.) As stated above:
Many of the early Christians were Jews that met in the synagogue on the seventh day.
Then they started to meet on both Saturday and Sunday.
It was common knowledge that over time they transitioned to celebrating the Lord’s Day on the first day of the week
12.) All of these confirm the first day of the week is the day that Christians gather for worship:
a. Scripture
b. the Holy Spirit
c. the internal witness
d. non-canonical epistles
e. early church letters
f. the Didache
g. and history itself |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1085 4/24/18 12:01 am

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all Scriptural references do not support an exclusive worship activity of the early church on the 1st Day.
Acts 15:28 should be viewed in light of Acts 15:21, "For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath."
Paul and the Gentile Christians met on the Sabbath, probably Saturday morning for prayer and Scripture reading and exposition. When they heard the news, the Gentile believers didn't begrudge meeting on the Sabbath but were relieved nothing more was expected, viz. circumcision, etc. (they don't have to become Pharisee branded Jews to be accepted).
Acts 20:7 refers to the first day, but that day began Saturday evening after sunset. Paul left after an all-nighter.
Revelation 1:10 - there is only one day referenced in the Scripture as the Lord's day, that being the Sabbath.
Traditional citations began after Gentile/Greek-minded/worldview teachers distanced themselves from Jews, and unfortunately Jewish Believers, and loathing anything smacking of Jewish Influence. Which is ironic for two reasons:
The Gentile Dominated Church adopted/adapted traditions paralleling Jewish Feasts.
The Gentile Dominated Church open the floodgates for Pagan influence in the church. _________________ God-Honoring
Christ-Centered
Bible-Based
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Golf Cart Mafia Associate Posts: 2109 4/24/18 6:33 am
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Re: My Top Twelve – The Lord’s Day is the First Day of the Week |
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Pastor Nations wrote: | .
AGAIN, EXCUSE THE BOLD LETTERS,
It is historical fact that many of the early Christians were Jews that met in the synagogue on the seventh day.
Then they started to meet on both Saturday and Sunday.
WHAT SECT CHANGED THE SABBATH DAY FROM SATURDAY TO SUNDAY? It's common knowledge who did it 😉. Are u catholic? 😊
It was common knowledge that over time they transitioned to celebrating the Lord’s Day on the first day of the week as a time of worship and celebration.
G-D DIDN'T TELL THEM TO DO THAT, and it's common knowledge in the Bible that G-d said the Sabbath day is an Everlasting Covenant to His people as sign to Him & them that they are His. Who's are you?
My Top Twelve – The Lord’s Day is the First Day of the Week
1.) The New Creation happened on the first day. WHERE IS UR SCRIPTURE FOR THIS? ON THE O.T.? ðŸ˜
2.) Jesus rose from the dead on the first day. RIGHT, DOESN'T CHANGE THE SABBATH DAY, AS YOU HAVE NO SCRIPTURE SAYING THAT
3.) The early church met on the first day of the week. NOW I THINK YOU'RE SPEAKING TO THINGS HERE, are u speaking of the Catholic error, or what you believe the Bible says? Because I see that mr. Ledbetter has answered that already
Acts 20:7, Revelation 1:10
The phrase the "Lord's Day" appears only once in the Bible in Revelation 1:10 which was written near the end of the first century. It is the English translation of the koine Greek kyriake hemera.
The adjective kyriake ("Lord's") often elided its noun, as in the neuter kyriakon for "Lord's [assembly]", the predecessor of the word "church"; the noun was to be supplied by context.
In Rev. 1:10, the apostle John, used kyriake hemera ("I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day") in a way apparently familiar to his readers. Observers of first-day worship hold that this means he was worshiping on Sunday, resurrection day.
PASTOR, HOLD THIS THOUGHT UP in the light of the scripture of the Sabbath day being forever. It doesn't matter what people think it was, how about the L-rd's Day being the only day He named, the Sabbath day, set it apart Holy to Himself, before He made any Covenant with man, & on, & on....
4.) It seemed good to the Holy Ghost to lay upon us no greater burden than a few things
Acts 15:28
THAT'S NOT SPEAKING OF THE SABBATH DAY....
5.) The Church Fathers very plainly wrote that the first day of the week is the Lord’s Day:
WE HAVE INHERITED LIES FROM OUR FATHERS 2 Chronicles 34... I wouldn't set up my tent on that fact. Because G-d said the L-rd's day is the Sabbath day the seventh day. Are you going to hold up church history again scripture?
Many examples, here are just a few:
a. Justin Martyr (2nd century):
REALLY, JUSTIN MARTYR, THE ANTI-SEMITE, the philosopher? thats the catholic hero of Christianity?
And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits
But Sunday is the day on which ***"""we""""*** (THATS A BIG STATEMENT, MESSIAH HAD SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS IN MATTHEW 15:1-9) all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead.[20]
Others, with greater regard to good manners, it must be confessed, suppose that the sun is the god of the Christians, because it is a well-known fact that we pray towards the east, or because we make Sunday a day of festivity.....
By ***""""us""""***, (I KNOW, VERY SAD, SOUNDS LIKE 1ST JOHN 2:4 WHOEVER SAYS THEY KNOW GOD BUT DOESN'T KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS HE LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. How can you know anything of G-ds if you don't keep what He says?) to whom Sabbaths are strange, and the new moons and festivals formerly beloved by God,. THAT STEVEN IS HALF TRUE, THEY ARE STRANGE THE CHRISTIANS BECAUSE THEY'VE CHANGED G-D AND HIS WAYS JUST LIKE THEY DID ISA 24: 5-6, but they are not formally beloved of G-d.... That's ridiculous
Before I continue anymore down this history Road, again history does not replace G-d's Words in His Scripture. You should know that your pastor 😶
b. Tertullian (early 3rd century):
writing against Christians who participated in pagan festivals (Saturnalia and New-year), defended the Christian festivity of Lord's Day amidst the accusation of sun-worship, acknowledging that "to [us] Sabbaths are strange" and unobserved
c. The Epistle of Barnabas (not canon, of course):
'And your new moons and sabbaths I cannot endure.' He has therefore abolished these things .... Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens.
6.) The reformation authors refuted the Saturday Sabbath in favor of worship on the first day of the week
THAT'S CALLED EDITING G-D, WHICH IS A FORM OF REBELLION. AND LUTHER AND CALVIN, WHO CARES WHAT THEY SAY? THEY'RE REFUTING OF THE SABBATH DAY IN FAVOR OF SUNDAY WORSHIP JUST SHOWS how far off they are and you if you follow these people. That's the blind leading the blind and you both going to fall in the ditch....
a. Luther and Calvin both refuted Saturday Sabbath in favor of Sunday worship
b. The Westminster Confession of Faith (1646) is a good example, too Chapter 21, "Of Religious Worship, and the Sabbath Day". Section 7-8 reads:
As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in his Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, he hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him: which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week, which, in Scripture, is called the Lord’s day, and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.
JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE SAY THE EARTH IS FLAT IS IT FLAT?
7.) Many of the church fathers wrote the first day was also the eighth day – (study that one and get blessed)
Many examples, this is just one:
Cyprian, a 3rd-century church father,
For because the eighth day, that is, the first day after the Sabbath, was to be that on which the Lord should rise again, and should quicken us, and give us circumcision of the spirit, the eighth day, that is the first day after the Sabbath, and the Lord's Day, went before in the figure; which figure ceased when by and by the truth came and spiritual circumcision was given to us
8.) The early church actually disputed that their Sunday worship was related to the Roman sun-worship, or to Constantine’s edit, because it was common knowledge the Christians met on Sunday for worship
9.) The Didache refers to the Lord’s Day
10.) We are in a New Covenant – many familiar verses
11.) As stated above:
Many of the early Christians were Jews that met in the synagogue on the seventh day.
Then they started to meet on both Saturday and Sunday.
It was common knowledge that over time they transitioned to celebrating the Lord’s Day on the first day of the week
12.) All of these confirm the first day of the week is the day that Christians gather for worship:
a. Scripture
b. the Holy Spirit
c. the internal witness
d. non-canonical epistles
e. early church letters
f. the Didache
g. and history itself |
MY FRIEND, GO STUDY THE BIBLE INSTEAD OF ALL THESE CATHOLICS. BUT THANKS FOR THE HISTORY LESSON, NOW GOING BY THREAD WITH ALL OF MY SCRIPTURES I HAVE PLACED ABOUT THE SABBATH DAY AND SET THEM UP SIDE BY SIDE ALL OF YOUR CHURCH FATHERS AND SEE IF IT HOLDS UP TO WHAT GOD SAYS ðŸ˜ðŸ˜‰
SHALOM _________________ Ps 122:6 Pray for the Peace of Y'erusalem |
Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2547 4/24/18 10:25 pm
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Re: My Top Twelve – The Lord’s Day is the First Day of the Week |
Pastor Nations |
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Judaizers always want to say Acts 15:28 was about circumcision. You have said so yourself in other threads.
Unfortunately, that is not the conversation that took place.
Yes, the question was about circumcision.
But the Holy Spirit's answer was this:
"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:"
1. that you abstain from things offered to idols,
2.from blood,
3. from things strangled,
4. and from sexual immorality.
If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
So, actually, the Holy Spirit did not say that circumcision not necessary - because only these four things are necessary.
This would have been a perfect place for the Holy Spirit to say keeping the Sabbath was necessary, but He did not include it.
Isa 58:12 wrote: | MY FRIEND, GO STUDY THE BIBLE INSTEAD OF ALL THESE CATHOLICS. BUT THANKS FOR THE HISTORY LESSON, NOW GOING BY THREAD WITH ALL OF MY SCRIPTURES I HAVE PLACED ABOUT THE SABBATH DAY AND SET THEM UP SIDE BY SIDE ALL OF YOUR CHURCH FATHERS AND SEE IF IT HOLDS UP TO WHAT GOD SAYS ðŸ˜ðŸ˜‰
SHALOM | .
I'm not Catholic (actually I am very Protest-ant) and there is nothing Catholic here.
Judaizers have been taught that the Catholics changed the Sabbath to Sunday to coincide with Constantine's edict.
Except for two facts:
1. Constantine's edict about the state church was in AD380 - the church had already been meeting on Sundays for almost 300 years.
2. The church didn't change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Instead, they clearly stated the Saturday Sabbath no longer applies, and they gathered together on Sundays, the first (and eighth) day of the week. |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1085 4/24/18 10:51 pm

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Re: My Top Twelve – The Lord’s Day is the First Day of the Week |
Isa 58:12 |
Pastor Nations wrote: | .
Judaizers always want to say Acts 15:28 was about circumcision. You have said so yourself in other threads.
Unfortunately, that is not the conversation that took place.
Yes, the question was about circumcision.
But the Holy Spirit's answer was this:
"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:"
1. that you abstain from things offered to idols,
2.from blood,
3. from things strangled,
4. and from sexual immorality.
If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
So, actually, the Holy Spirit did not say that circumcision not necessary - because only these four things are necessary.
This would have been a perfect place for the Holy Spirit to say keeping the Sabbath was necessary, but He did not include it.
Isa 58:12 wrote: | MY FRIEND, GO STUDY THE BIBLE INSTEAD OF ALL THESE CATHOLICS. BUT THANKS FOR THE HISTORY LESSON, NOW GOING BY THREAD WITH ALL OF MY SCRIPTURES I HAVE PLACED ABOUT THE SABBATH DAY AND SET THEM UP SIDE BY SIDE ALL OF YOUR CHURCH FATHERS AND SEE IF IT HOLDS UP TO WHAT GOD SAYS ðŸ˜ðŸ˜‰
SHALOM | .
I'm not Catholic (actually I am very Protest-ant) and there is nothing Catholic here.
Judaizers have been taught that the Catholics changed the Sabbath to Sunday to coincide with Constantine's edict.
Except for two facts:
1. Constantine's edict about the state church was in AD380 - the church had already been meeting on Sundays for almost 300 years.
2. The church didn't change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Instead, they clearly stated the Saturday Sabbath no longer applies, and they gathered together on Sundays, the first (and eighth) day of the week. |
Yes, yes, my fault, ahead of myself yesterday was a very long day LOL. About those four things pastor, the first 3 have to deal with food laws in Lev & the 4th, we all know about. Pastor, u left out Acts 15:21 where the gentile would hear Moshe/Torah every Sabbath day & grow from the 4 things to start from 😉
& Pastor, constantine is not G-d to give edicts, who cares 😉. & If the church didn't change the Sabbath, why the change & how can the church say the Everlasting Covenant of the Sabbath no longer applies? Please, use the Scriptures I posted in the beginning, I need to see it next to your church history _________________ Ps 122:6 Pray for the Peace of Y'erusalem |
Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2547 4/25/18 9:49 pm
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Pastor Nations |
Isa 58:12 wrote: | Pastor, u left out Acts 15:21 where the gentile would hear Moshe/Torah every Sabbath day & grow from the 4 things to start from 😉 | .
Uh, nobody disputes the Jews and some Gentiles met on the Sabbath. Acts 15 was approximately the year AD49.
Paul and the apostles went into the synagogues to preach to the Jews.
A lot of the early Christians were converted from Judaism.
Btw, who is Moshe?
Isa 58:12 wrote: | The Bible never says to stop keeping the Sabbath, Ex 31:16-17, it is an Everlasting Covenant to His people 😀😇 |
"He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised,
and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant." Genesis 17:13
Is circumcision also an everlasting covenant? |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1085 4/25/18 11:03 pm

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Pastor Nations wrote: | Isa 58:12 wrote: | Pastor, u left out Acts 15:21 where the gentile would hear Moshe/Torah every Sabbath day & grow from the 4 things to start from 😉 | .
Uh, nobody disputes the Jews and some Gentiles met on the Sabbath. Acts 15 was approximately the year AD49.
Paul and the apostles went into the synagogues to preach to the Jews.
A lot of the early Christians were converted from Judaism.
Btw, who is Moshe?
Isa 58:12 wrote: | The Bible never says to stop keeping the Sabbath, Ex 31:16-17, it is an Everlasting Covenant to His people 😀😇 |
"He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised,
and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant." Genesis 17:13
Is circumcision also an everlasting covenant? |
Pastor.... focus, focus, Sabbath.... Who originally set apart the Sabbath day? 😠_________________ Ps 122:6 Pray for the Peace of Y'erusalem |
Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2547 4/26/18 9:14 pm
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Pastor Nations |
Isa 58:12 wrote: | Pastor Nations wrote: | Isa 58:12 wrote: | Pastor, u left out Acts 15:21 where the gentile would hear Moshe/Torah every Sabbath day & grow from the 4 things to start from 😉 | .
Uh, nobody disputes the Jews and some Gentiles met on the Sabbath. Acts 15 was approximately the year AD49.
Paul and the apostles went into the synagogues to preach to the Jews.
A lot of the early Christians were converted from Judaism.
Btw, who is Moshe?
Isa 58:12 wrote: | The Bible never says to stop keeping the Sabbath, Ex 31:16-17, it is an Everlasting Covenant to His people 😀😇 |
"He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised,
and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant." Genesis 17:13
Is circumcision also an everlasting covenant? |
Pastor.... focus, focus, Sabbath.... Who originally set apart the Sabbath day? 😠|
I am - answer the question.
Is circumcision an everlasting covenant? |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1085 4/26/18 9:55 pm

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Pastor Nations wrote: | Isa 58:12 wrote: | Pastor Nations wrote: | Isa 58:12 wrote: | Pastor, u left out Acts 15:21 where the gentile would hear Moshe/Torah every Sabbath day & grow from the 4 things to start from 😉 | .
Uh, nobody disputes the Jews and some Gentiles met on the Sabbath. Acts 15 was approximately the year AD49.
Paul and the apostles went into the synagogues to preach to the Jews.
A lot of the early Christians were converted from Judaism.
Btw, who is Moshe?
Isa 58:12 wrote: | The Bible never says to stop keeping the Sabbath, Ex 31:16-17, it is an Everlasting Covenant to His people 😀😇 |
"He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised,
and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant." Genesis 17:13
Is circumcision also an everlasting covenant? |
Pastor.... focus, focus, Sabbath.... Who originally set apart the Sabbath day? 😠|
I am - answer the question.
Is circumcision an everlasting covenant? |
Ur pastor, I Am set the Sabbath day apart as an Everlasting Covenant to His people as a Sign between us & Him, not Sunday.....
I know what ur doing with the circumcision question diverting the Sabbath question that u stand in opposition to 😮, u might want to take think about that as u have no answer for it my friend. Again, Who Commanded circumcision? & Yes He said it is an Everlasting Covenant in Gen 17:13, we are "bought" with a price right? ðŸ˜
I can't fully answer the circumcision question, because that's been going on since this time.... Do Gentiles get circumcision like Jewish people.... They're still debating that, I can't give you a total answer on that. But I can just give you scriptures dealing with it. One is Ezek 44:9 says that no gentle with an uncircumcised heart ***and*** uncircumcised flesh can enter into His Sanctuary that are among children of Y'srael. That's Romans 11:17...
Now it's your turn, answer the changing of the Sabbath in the Bible, not church history 😇 _________________ Ps 122:6 Pray for the Peace of Y'erusalem |
Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2547 4/26/18 10:29 pm
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Pastor Nations |
Isa 58:12 wrote: |
I can't fully answer the circumcision question, because that's been going on since this time.... Do Gentiles get circumcision like Jewish people.... They're still debating that, I can't give you a total answer on that. |
You don't have to answer the question, because the Holy Spirit already did in Acts 15.
The question was do they have to be circumcised? The Holy Spirit said only four things were necessary.
Now, if they are still required to be circumcised and keep the Sabbath - why didn't the Holy Spirit include them in the list? |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1085 4/26/18 10:56 pm

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Pastor Nations wrote: | Isa 58:12 wrote: |
I can't fully answer the circumcision question, because that's been going on since this time.... Do Gentiles get circumcision like Jewish people.... They're still debating that, I can't give you a total answer on that. |
You don't have to answer the question, because the Holy Spirit already did in Acts 15.
The question was do they have to be circumcised? The Holy Spirit said only four things were necessary.
Now, if they are still required to be circumcised and keep the Sabbath - why didn't the Holy Spirit include them in the list? |
As for the Sabbath day, the already keeping it to learn more of the Torah when they go every Sabbath day to hear it. Like I told you before I cannot answer you all of the circumcision questions, as you can't, as you have no answer for Ezekiel 44: 9. In the Torah, G-ds Instructions He says in Ex 12:43 that no Gentile can partake in the Passover unless he is circumcised vs 44, just like Ezekiel his bought with a price
& U know circumcision is the "sign" of the Covenant, & G-ds people are supposed to look and live different from the rest of the world, & the only way that happens is when we live by God's Torah, His Instructions, because that's what He says is right.
& U brought up Acts 15 @ the Jerusalem Council, I'll say it again, as it was dealt with there too, circumcision is not for salvation. Christianity teaches that circumcision is done away with, and they equated it with all of the Law done away with. Both are wrong
My personal opinion, I think so & I know what the N.T. says in Rom 2:25-29. " Paraphrase" Paul is saying that circumcision in the heart is keeping God's Commandments, and circumcision the flesh is the sign of the Covenant. And if you're breaking G-ds Commandments you're transgressor of the Law & your circumcision is worthless.... _________________ Ps 122:6 Pray for the Peace of Y'erusalem |
Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2547 4/26/18 11:54 pm
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But the circumcised heart is more important than the flesh of course, I already can hear you 😠_________________ Ps 122:6 Pray for the Peace of Y'erusalem |
Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2547 4/27/18 12:00 am
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Pastor Nations |
Isa 58:12 wrote: | Pastor Nations wrote: | Isa 58:12 wrote: |
I can't fully answer the circumcision question, because that's been going on since this time.... Do Gentiles get circumcision like Jewish people.... They're still debating that, I can't give you a total answer on that. |
You don't have to answer the question, because the Holy Spirit already did in Acts 15.
The question was do they have to be circumcised? The Holy Spirit said only four things were necessary.
Now, if they are still required to be circumcised and keep the Sabbath - why didn't the Holy Spirit include them in the list? |
Like I told you before I cannot answer you all of the circumcision questions, as you can't, as you have no answer for Ezekiel 44: 9 |
I do have the answer. The Holy Spirit did not say circumcision or Sabbath-keeping was necessary. The Holy Spirit said only four things were necessary.
Now, you did not answer the question:
Why didn't the Holy Spirit include Sabbath-keeping in the list - why didn't He list five or six things, instead of only four? |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1085 4/27/18 12:02 am

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Pastor Nations wrote: | Isa 58:12 wrote: | Pastor Nations wrote: | Isa 58:12 wrote: |
I can't fully answer the circumcision question, because that's been going on since this time.... Do Gentiles get circumcision like Jewish people.... They're still debating that, I can't give you a total answer on that. |
You don't have to answer the question, because the Holy Spirit already did in Acts 15.
The question was do they have to be circumcised? The Holy Spirit said only four things were necessary.
Now, if they are still required to be circumcised and keep the Sabbath - why didn't the Holy Spirit include them in the list? |
Like I told you before I cannot answer you all of the circumcision questions, as you can't, as you have no answer for Ezekiel 44: 9 |
I do have the answer. The Holy Spirit did not say circumcision or Sabbath-keeping was necessary. The Holy Spirit said only four things were necessary.
Now, you did not answer the question:
Why didn't the Holy Spirit include that Sabbath-keeping in the list - why didn't He list five or six things, instead of only four? |
Pastor...., Those were for things Gentile we're supposed to start off with, instead of being circumsized and keeping all of Moshe/Torah Acts 15:1. I know you know what this is, I don't know what you're doing LOL. & The reason why the Holy Spirit didn't Command the Sabbath was because where else are they going to go to hear the Torah but in the synagogue on the Sabbath....ðŸ˜.
& Btw, it's already commanded to the Sojourner, Foreigner, Gentile in Y'sreal to keep the Sabbath, & the Torah Lev 24:22; you shall have one matter of Law/Torah as well for the stranger, ask for one in your own country, I am the L-rd your G-d. Ex 12:49 says there is one Law/Torah for you and the Sojourner living with you. Btw, Ex 20:10 says the Sabbath is for everyone, whether they get it or not 😇. & Sunday is not in the 10 Words ðŸ˜
And I think it's hilarious how people say I never answer their questions, when I do, and no one ever answers mine as my thread that you ignore my scriptures of the Sabbath lol you have no scriptures against it & you getting out the subject LOL _________________ Ps 122:6 Pray for the Peace of Y'erusalem |
Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2547 4/27/18 12:15 am
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Isa 58:12 wrote: | Pastor Nations wrote: | Isa 58:12 wrote: | Pastor Nations wrote: | Isa 58:12 wrote: |
I can't fully answer the circumcision question, because that's been going on since this time.... Do Gentiles get circumcision like Jewish people.... They're still debating that, I can't give you a total answer on that. |
You don't have to answer the question, because the Holy Spirit already did in Acts 15.
The question was do they have to be circumcised? The Holy Spirit said only four things were necessary.
Now, if they are still required to be circumcised and keep the Sabbath - why didn't the Holy Spirit include them in the list? |
Like I told you before I cannot answer you all of the circumcision questions, as you can't, as you have no answer for Ezekiel 44: 9 |
I do have the answer. The Holy Spirit did not say circumcision or Sabbath-keeping was necessary. The Holy Spirit said only four things were necessary.
Now, you did not answer the question:
Why didn't the Holy Spirit include that Sabbath-keeping in the list - why didn't He list five or six things, instead of only four? |
Pastor...., Those were for things Gentile we're supposed to start off with, instead of being circumsized and keeping all of Moshe/Torah Acts 15:1. I know you know what this is, I don't know what you're doing LOL. & The reason why the Holy Spirit didn't Command the Sabbath was because where else are they going to go to hear the Torah but in the synagogue on the Sabbath....ðŸ˜.
& Btw, it's already commanded to the Sojourner, Foreigner, Gentile in Y'sreal to keep the Sabbath, & the Torah Lev 24:22; you shall have one matter of Law/Torah as well for the stranger, ask for one in your own country, I am the L-rd your G-d. Ex 12:49 says there is one Law/Torah for you and the Sojourner living with you. Btw, Ex 20:10 says the Sabbath is for everyone, whether they get it or not 😇. & Sunday is not in the 10 Words ðŸ˜
And I think it's hilarious how people say I never answer their questions, when I do, and no one ever answers mine as my thread that you ignore my scriptures of the Sabbath lol you have no scriptures against it & you getting out the subject LOL |
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Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1085 4/27/18 12:20 am

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Isa 58:12 wrote: | Pastor...., Those were for things Gentile we're supposed to start off with, instead of being circumsized and keeping all of Moshe/Torah Acts 15:1. |
Oh, start with what the Holy Spirit says - and then add requirements.
Isa 58:12 wrote: | The reason why the Holy Spirit didn't Command the Sabbath was because where else are they going to go to hear the Torah but in the synagogue on the Sabbath....ðŸ˜. |
No, the Jews were simply meeting in the synagogues on Saturdays, soon the Christians began meeting on Sundays.
Isa 58:12 wrote: | & Btw, it's already commanded to the Sojourner, Foreigner, Gentile in Y'sreal to keep the Sabbath, & the Torah Lev 24:22; you shall have one matter of Law/Torah as well for the stranger, ask for one in your own country, I am the L-rd your G-d. Ex 12:49 says there is one Law/Torah for you and the Sojourner living with you. |
Except now there is neither Jew nor Gentile. It's a New Covenant. |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1085 4/27/18 12:27 am

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Pastor Nations wrote: | Isa 58:12 wrote: | Pastor...., Those were for things Gentile we're supposed to start off with, instead of being circumsized and keeping all of Moshe/Torah Acts 15:1. |
Oh, start with what the Holy Spirit says - and then add requirements.
THE HOLY SPIRIT CAN'T SAY SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT WAS ALREADY SAID, THAT'S A CONTRADICTION. And excuse the bold lettering again
Isa 58:12 wrote: | The reason why the Holy Spirit didn't Command the Sabbath was because where else are they going to go to hear the Torah but in the synagogue on the Sabbath....ðŸ˜. |
No, the Jews were simply meeting in the synagogues on Saturdays, soon the Christians began meeting on Sundays.
AND YOU'RE MAKING MY POINT, JEWS ARE COMMANDED BY GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH, WE'RE GRAFTED INTO THAT FAMILY. But Christianity has walked off and done their own thing, which there is no commandment for. & That goes against all the scriptures I was showing you how Gentile has the same Commandments as the Jews.
Isa 58:12 wrote: | & Btw, it's already commanded to the Sojourner, Foreigner, Gentile in Y'sreal to keep the Sabbath, & the Torah Lev 24:22; you shall have one matter of Law/Torah as well for the stranger, ask for one in your own country, I am the L-rd your G-d. Ex 12:49 says there is one Law/Torah for you and the Sojourner living with you. |
Except now there is neither Jew nor Gentile. It's a New Covenant. |
Right, that doesn't mean you have other things to do than the Jewish people do, that G-d Commanded them to do. We're all one in Messiah doing the same thing😇 _________________ Ps 122:6 Pray for the Peace of Y'erusalem |
Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2547 4/27/18 12:45 am
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ShabBAT Shaloooooooom Pastor Nations & Aaron & everyone else ,😊😇. May the L-rd bless you & keep you, may the L-rd make His face to shine upon you & be gracious to you, & may the L-rd lift up His countenance upon you and give you His Shalom, His Peace. In the Name of Sar Shalom the Prince of Peace Y'shua HaMashiach Amein, Amein 😇 _________________ Ps 122:6 Pray for the Peace of Y'erusalem |
Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2547 4/27/18 3:33 pm
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