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 It's Not Saturday! |
Tom Sterbens |
Dr Marty Baker put a splinter in brain on Monday and ruined the sermon I already had prepared for today! (Hate that guy!) 
He asked me if I had ever considered the "silence of Saturday" after the cross. I said, Wow! No I haven't. What a thought!"
And so all week long the splinter...worked on me!
It's Not Saturday!
From God’s side of the conversation, Saturday had not been silent since creation.
In the beginning, “Ruach,†the Spirit of God, hovered…
In the beginning, for six days, God had spoken.
In the beginning…the Father…the Word…and Ruach…
God said, “Let there be…†Ruach moved…and “there was.â€
He seemed to focus His attention on “a Gardenâ€â€¦and Adam…mankind.
But on Saturday…He did not speak. He rested. It was finished.
Perhaps then it was on the first day of the week “it†started…
The Wind blew and the Spirit came…in The Garden…Spirit Time!
“Ruach†…each day…everyday…with them…
In The Garden with God…
Then the serpent hissed…
Mankind fell.
Sin entered.
Death reigned…
It was the last day in Eden…
Ruach left the Garden…
It was now another Saturday.
The Saturday after the Son of God was crucified.
The second Adam…
He had lived.
He had spoken.
He had prayed.
He had cried for lost mankind.
And then He died for His fallen creation.
And so, once again, on Saturday…God did not speak.
He rested.
It was finished.
He said so…just before He died.
Once again death had entered…
They put His body…in a tomb…
…in a Garden…
So now…in another garden…on the first day of the week…
Once again the Wind blew…â€that same Spirit…â€
…and then the stone moved…
This time…death left The Garden…
Ruach was back!
The Risen Savior was mistaken for “the gardenerâ€â€¦
Heaven laughed!
In fact…it was really no mistake…
The Gardener had indeed returned to The Garden! |
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Quote TS:
The Gardener had indeed returned to The Garden!
End quote...
SWEET my friend SWEET indeed. That is the kind of seed planting I really believe in.. 
(I meat the thought planting but I see it two ways now! 
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Isa 58:12 |
Shalom Tom, can you explain to me what you get out of this please? Because G-d gave a double portion Manna in the wilderness on Shabbat and Y'shua did more healings and miracles on Shabbat, so I'm puzzled by what you think the meaning of this is.
Shalom
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Tom Sterbens |
| Isa 58:12 wrote: | Shalom Tom, can you explain to me what you get out of this please? Because G-d gave a double portion Manna in the wilderness on Shabbat and Y'shua did more healings and miracles on Shabbat, so I'm puzzled by what you think the meaning of this is.
Shalom |
First - I have no idea what you are talking about.
Second - it is poetic.
It is a sort of watercolor backdrop of possibilities.
It is not an attempt to rewrite theology or challenge creed.
Really, at the core of it is something that started with me several years ago when I noted the first time "ruach" (Spirit/spirit/breath/blow/wind) appears in scripture is Genesis 1:2 (Spirit).
The second time it appears is in Genesis 3:8, "..."cool of the day..." I mused over that for some time.
Over the last several months (and much, much more scriptural reflection) I began to consider the possibility of "cool" being the linguistic implication of existential effect of wind blowing or blowing on something...i.e. it is "cool." The word that follows it is the word most typically used representing "a period of time." My question was: "Could this not be translated "Spirit Time"? "
It sort of takes off from there...I won't bore you with it.
Nonetheless - my point in writing all the unrelated stuff I just wrote is to simply say...what I wrote had nothing whatsoever to do with challenging any view of the sabbath. Scripture says He (God) rested on the seventh day. That's all.
He was creating (thus, poetically, He wasn't speaking). On the Saturday after the cross (whatever day one thinks the crucifixion happened) heaven was indeed silent again... That's all.
On the first day of the week Christ was risen from the dead. That's all.
You may indeed be able to make this yet another anvil on which to continue to hammer out your well established point of conviction regarding Torah, but it is not one I will engage any further than this.
Thanks |
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4/2/18 6:44 pm
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Isa 58:12 |
| Tom Sterbens wrote: | | Isa 58:12 wrote: | Shalom Tom, can you explain to me what you get out of this please? Because G-d gave a double portion Manna in the wilderness on Shabbat and Y'shua did more healings and miracles on Shabbat, so I'm puzzled by what you think the meaning of this is.
Shalom |
First - I have no idea what you are talking about.
Second - it is poetic.
It is a sort of watercolor backdrop of possibilities.
It is not an attempt to rewrite theology or challenge creed.
Really, at the core of it is something that started with me several years ago when I noted the first time "ruach" (Spirit/spirit/breath/blow/wind) appears in scripture is Genesis 1:2 (Spirit).
The second time it appears is in Genesis 3:8, "..."cool of the day..." I mused over that for some time.
Over the last several months (and much, much more scriptural reflection) I began to consider the possibility of "cool" being the linguistic implication of existential effect of wind blowing or blowing on something...i.e. it is "cool." The word that follows it is the word most typically used representing "a period of time." My question was: "Could this not be translated "Spirit Time"? "
It sort of takes off from there...I won't bore you with it.
Nonetheless - my point in writing all the unrelated stuff I just wrote is to simply say...what I wrote had nothing whatsoever to do with challenging any view of the sabbath. Scripture says He (God) rested on the seventh day. That's all.
He was creating (thus, poetically, He wasn't speaking). On the Saturday after the cross (whatever day one thinks the crucifixion happened) heaven was indeed silent again... That's all.
On the first day of the week Christ was risen from the dead. That's all.
You may indeed be able to make this yet another anvil on which to continue to hammer out your well established point of conviction regarding Torah, but it is not one I will engage any further than this.
Thanks |
Well I'm sorry I asked the question Tom, wasn't meant for me looking for my anvil. When I read it, it seemed to me that u were saying G-d does nothing on Shabbat, but He moves on the 1st day etc....
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4/2/18 8:53 pm
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| Re: It's Not Saturday! |
Carolyn Smith |
| Tom Sterbens wrote: |
Once again death had entered…
They put His body…in a tomb…
…in a Garden…
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Really good stuff...thought-provoking, Tom!
This part caught my attention. Really? Joseph of Arimathea's tomb was in a garden? I've never heard that...or maybe you are taking this from Mary's mistaking Him to be the gardener? Hmmm....
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4/2/18 9:34 pm
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| You lost me by the 3rd Ruuuach |
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Tom Sterbens |
| Isa 58:12 wrote: | | Tom Sterbens wrote: | | Isa 58:12 wrote: | Shalom Tom, can you explain to me what you get out of this please? Because G-d gave a double portion Manna in the wilderness on Shabbat and Y'shua did more healings and miracles on Shabbat, so I'm puzzled by what you think the meaning of this is.
Shalom |
First - I have no idea what you are talking about.
Second - it is poetic.
It is a sort of watercolor backdrop of possibilities.
It is not an attempt to rewrite theology or challenge creed.
Really, at the core of it is something that started with me several years ago when I noted the first time "ruach" (Spirit/spirit/breath/blow/wind) appears in scripture is Genesis 1:2 (Spirit).
The second time it appears is in Genesis 3:8, "..."cool of the day..." I mused over that for some time.
Over the last several months (and much, much more scriptural reflection) I began to consider the possibility of "cool" being the linguistic implication of existential effect of wind blowing or blowing on something...i.e. it is "cool." The word that follows it is the word most typically used representing "a period of time." My question was: "Could this not be translated "Spirit Time"? "
It sort of takes off from there...I won't bore you with it.
Nonetheless - my point in writing all the unrelated stuff I just wrote is to simply say...what I wrote had nothing whatsoever to do with challenging any view of the sabbath. Scripture says He (God) rested on the seventh day. That's all.
He was creating (thus, poetically, He wasn't speaking). On the Saturday after the cross (whatever day one thinks the crucifixion happened) heaven was indeed silent again... That's all.
On the first day of the week Christ was risen from the dead. That's all.
You may indeed be able to make this yet another anvil on which to continue to hammer out your well established point of conviction regarding Torah, but it is not one I will engage any further than this.
Thanks |
Well I'm sorry I asked the question Tom, wasn't meant for me looking for my anvil. When I read it, it seemed to me that u were saying G-d does nothing on Shabbat, but He moves on the 1st day etc.... |
Classically bad response on my part...a combination of a tired mind and "assumption" - something I try hard to never do. That was unfair to you...please accept my apology.
I was not making any mechanical theological point at all. I was exploring the narrative - that's all. But then scripture seems to supply the latitude to do that very thing. What I mean is, for example: I'm certain God did not "rest" in the sense that humans do since He does not grow weary, at all, ever...and yet He gave those words to us. Nor do I believe in the most technical of senses that God was technically silent and motionless on the Saturday prior to resurrection.
It's poetry and narrative.
Thanks |
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4/2/18 10:21 pm
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| Re: It's Not Saturday! |
Tom Sterbens |
| Carolyn Smith wrote: | | Tom Sterbens wrote: |
Once again death had entered…
They put His body…in a tomb…
…in a Garden…
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Really good stuff...thought-provoking, Tom!
This part caught my attention. Really? Joseph of Arimathea's tomb was in a garden? I've never heard that...or maybe you are taking this from Mary's mistaking Him to be the gardener? Hmmm.... |
John 19:40–41 (NASB95)
40 So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews.
41 Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid.
And, yes ma'am, the reference to the gardener is compelling as well. |
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4/2/18 10:25 pm
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| Re: It's Not Saturday! |
Carolyn Smith |
| Tom Sterbens wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | | Tom Sterbens wrote: |
Once again death had entered…
They put His body…in a tomb…
…in a Garden…
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Really good stuff...thought-provoking, Tom!
This part caught my attention. Really? Joseph of Arimathea's tomb was in a garden? I've never heard that...or maybe you are taking this from Mary's mistaking Him to be the gardener? Hmmm.... |
John 19:40–41 (NASB95)
40 So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews.
41 Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid.
And, yes ma'am, the reference to the gardener is compelling as well. |
Thanks!
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4/2/18 10:38 pm
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Good stuff.
Thanks for sharing.
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4/3/18 6:44 am
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| Re: It's Not Saturday! |
Tom Sterbens |
| Carolyn Smith wrote: | | Tom Sterbens wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | | Tom Sterbens wrote: |
Once again death had entered…
They put His body…in a tomb…
…in a Garden…
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Really good stuff...thought-provoking, Tom!
This part caught my attention. Really? Joseph of Arimathea's tomb was in a garden? I've never heard that...or maybe you are taking this from Mary's mistaking Him to be the gardener? Hmmm.... |
John 19:40–41 (NASB95)
40 So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews.
41 Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid.
And, yes ma'am, the reference to the gardener is compelling as well. |
Thanks! |
BTW - Funny you should mention the garden pointedly.
Next year's Easter sermon will most likely be "The Three Gardens" (Eden, Gethsemane, and the nameless garden of the tomb). I am sure others have probably taught on this - but I had never considered that until this year. |
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4/3/18 7:21 am
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Isa 58:12 |
| Tom Sterbens wrote: | | Isa 58:12 wrote: | | Tom Sterbens wrote: | | Isa 58:12 wrote: | Shalom Tom, can you explain to me what you get out of this please? Because G-d gave a double portion Manna in the wilderness on Shabbat and Y'shua did more healings and miracles on Shabbat, so I'm puzzled by what you think the meaning of this is.
Shalom |
First - I have no idea what you are talking about.
Second - it is poetic.
It is a sort of watercolor backdrop of possibilities.
It is not an attempt to rewrite theology or challenge creed.
Really, at the core of it is something that started with me several years ago when I noted the first time "ruach" (Spirit/spirit/breath/blow/wind) appears in scripture is Genesis 1:2 (Spirit).
The second time it appears is in Genesis 3:8, "..."cool of the day..." I mused over that for some time.
Over the last several months (and much, much more scriptural reflection) I began to consider the possibility of "cool" being the linguistic implication of existential effect of wind blowing or blowing on something...i.e. it is "cool." The word that follows it is the word most typically used representing "a period of time." My question was: "Could this not be translated "Spirit Time"? "
It sort of takes off from there...I won't bore you with it.
Nonetheless - my point in writing all the unrelated stuff I just wrote is to simply say...what I wrote had nothing whatsoever to do with challenging any view of the sabbath. Scripture says He (God) rested on the seventh day. That's all.
He was creating (thus, poetically, He wasn't speaking). On the Saturday after the cross (whatever day one thinks the crucifixion happened) heaven was indeed silent again... That's all.
On the first day of the week Christ was risen from the dead. That's all.
You may indeed be able to make this yet another anvil on which to continue to hammer out your well established point of conviction regarding Torah, but it is not one I will engage any further than this.
Thanks |
Well I'm sorry I asked the question Tom, wasn't meant for me looking for my anvil. When I read it, it seemed to me that u were saying G-d does nothing on Shabbat, but He moves on the 1st day etc.... |
Classically bad response on my part...a combination of a tired mind and "assumption" - something I try hard to never do. That was unfair to you...please accept my apology.
I was not making any mechanical theological point at all. I was exploring the narrative - that's all. But then scripture seems to supply the latitude to do that very thing. What I mean is, for example: I'm certain God did not "rest" in the sense that humans do since He does not grow weary, at all, ever...and yet He gave those words to us. Nor do I believe in the most technical of senses that God was technically silent and motionless on the Saturday prior to resurrection.
It's poetry and narrative.
Thanks |
Of course u r forgiven my friend 😀😇 Shalom
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| Sorry, Tom, but |
Aaron Scott |
| what in the world does this have to do with women in leadership? |
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Tom Sterbens |
| Aaron Scott wrote: | | what in the world does this have to do with women in leadership? |
Well....................
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