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Thoughts on cremation? |
FLRon |
Was just reading the linked article regarding whether or not cremation is an option for believers. My personal belief is that if God can create DNA and the atom, He can surely put these bodies back together at the resurrection. Not saying cremation is my first choice, but it does have its merits, particularly from a cost perspective.
https://www.faithnews.cc/?p=26104 _________________ “Hell will be filled with people that didn’t cuss, didn’t drink, and may even have been baptized. Why? Because none of those things makes someone a Christian.”
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Acts-celerater Posts: 760 2/7/18 2:18 pm
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UncleJD |
I always think about those martyrs who were burned for our Lord's sake. I don't think God cares how the body decomposes. |
Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3137 2/7/18 2:24 pm
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Da Sheik |
The biblical model seems to be burial (even the Lord buried Moses in a hidden location). Without a clear prohibition against cremation, I couldn't declare it to be wrong. I too, think about victims of fire and those buried at sea, etc. Cremation offers a much more economical solution for families short on funds. Funeral costs can be a tremendous hardship on the survivors. |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1860 2/7/18 3:06 pm
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ashes to ashes and dust to dust |
wayne |
Just speeding up the process. |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1274 2/7/18 3:10 pm
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Re: ashes to ashes and dust to dust |
UncleJD |
wayne wrote: | Just speeding up the process. |
One of my favorite non-scripture scriptures
jk, but I think that old saying derives from the fact that so many early Christians were burnt. I too prefer traditional burial, but cremation is not prohibited so I think its fine, especially if it lessens the burden of a difficult time. |
Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3137 2/7/18 3:17 pm
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Re: ashes to ashes and dust to dust |
Mat |
UncleJD wrote: | wayne wrote: | Just speeding up the process. |
One of my favorite non-scripture scriptures
jk, but I think that old saying derives from the fact that so many early Christians were burnt. I too prefer traditional burial, but cremation is not prohibited so I think its fine, especially if it lessens the burden of a difficult time. |
The true is there is nothing "traditional" about the embalming methods used today. As Funeral Directors say, "if you weren't dead before embalming you will be afterwards." Traditional burial would be to wash the body, rap it in a shroud and bury it within 24 hours. Does it count if you bury the cremains in the ground? What about those people who are embalmed and placed in a mausoleum? Are they really "laid to rest."
By the way, cremation is not just putting the body in a furnace. The second step after the furnace is to place the ashes and bones in a processor (grinder). The family is given a box of ashes and told it is their loved one. That depends on how well they cleaned the grinder between "guests." All this makes being placed in an unmarked grave without embalming sound good to me.
Mat |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1972 2/7/18 8:46 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
My aunt is a funeral director. In the state where she practices, Texas, one can have their loved one buried without embalming if they are buried within 24 hours of death. I could be mistaken, but such ‘immediate’ or ‘direct’ burial has to be offered by all funeral homes. This saves a substantial amount of the cost of burial. Most of the costs associated with funerals nowadays are due to people wanting to have the funeral several days after death, wanting their loved one’s body to look as if they are not dead but just sleeping, and wanting their loved on buried in a fancy casket. |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12784 2/7/18 11:50 pm
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Mat |
Quiet Wyatt wrote: | My aunt is a funeral director. In the state where she practices, Texas, one can have their loved one buried without embalming if they are buried within 24 hours of death. I could be mistaken, but such ‘immediate’ or ‘direct’ burial has to be offered by all funeral homes. This saves a substantial amount of the cost of burial. Most of the costs associated with funerals nowadays are due to people wanting to have the funeral several days after death, wanting their loved one’s body to look as if they are not dead but just sleeping, and wanting their loved on buried in a fancy casket. |
I have often thought if people saw death as it really is, and had to personally place their loved ones in the grave, there would be a greater understanding of the importance of the resurrection. How often do we preachers ask those who attend funerals to accept Christ as their Savior, only to see the confess of the moment last only as long as they saw the dead body. After the funeral, in most cases, they walk away from Jesus like they walk away from the grave.
Mat |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1972 2/8/18 7:55 am
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Chicago27 |
Dust to dust, ashes to ashes. |
Friendly Face Posts: 253 2/8/18 10:55 am
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Quiet Wyatt |
Mat wrote: | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | My aunt is a funeral director. In the state where she practices, Texas, one can have their loved one buried without embalming if they are buried within 24 hours of death. I could be mistaken, but such ‘immediate’ or ‘direct’ burial has to be offered by all funeral homes. This saves a substantial amount of the cost of burial. Most of the costs associated with funerals nowadays are due to people wanting to have the funeral several days after death, wanting their loved one’s body to look as if they are not dead but just sleeping, and wanting their loved on buried in a fancy casket. |
I have often thought if people saw death as it really is, and had to personally place their loved ones in the grave, there would be a greater understanding of the importance of the resurrection. How often do we preachers ask those who attend funerals to accept Christ as their Savior, only to see the confess of the moment last only as long as they saw the dead body. After the funeral, in most cases, they walk away from Jesus like they walk away from the grave.
Mat |
While I do usually take the opportunity when speaking at a funeral to preach the gospel and thus offer true hope to the bereaved, I have never asked for a show of hands or for anyone to pray the so-called sinner’s prayer at a funeral. I typically always will say, no matter what the spiritual state of the decedent might have been, that if he or she were able to talk to you right now, I am positive that they would plead with you to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ right now, and to follow Him all of your days. |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12784 2/8/18 11:17 am
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It does not matter.... |
Aaron Scott |
There are no doubt Christians who have been eaten by wild animals...one piece with this animal, another with that one, etc.... God's going to resurrect believers no matter what. NO. MATTER. WHAT.
The problem with funerals is that they are often thrown together in moments of deep emotional concern. If your loved one dies, you are going to want to give them the best funeral you can...even if, in a quieter moment, you would not have dared spend so much money.
I am for cremation, for the most part. For one thing (and this sound a bit silly, but it's a fact), in the grave yard at Moore's Chapel in Cleveland, TN, an every increasing number of Scotts and their kin are buried there. In fact, there is no more room beside in the part of the graveyard where they are buried. But with cremation...it's really about as simple as a coffee can (SMILE)...and post hole diggers...in order to be buried alongside my loved ones.
Consider that the funeral industry would love to have Christians decide that it is wrong to cremate. |
Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6027 2/8/18 11:39 am
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Re: ashes to ashes and dust to dust |
wayne |
UncleJD wrote: | wayne wrote: | Just speeding up the process. |
One of my favorite non-scripture scriptures
jk, but I think that old saying derives from the fact that so many early Christians were burnt. I too prefer traditional burial, but cremation is not prohibited so I think its fine, especially if it lessens the burden of a difficult time. |
Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
close enough. |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1274 2/8/18 2:08 pm
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FLRon |
I think of the untold numbers who were basically vaporized during the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan. If God can resurrect them,and I firmly believe He will, cremation is not that big of a deal. The issues lie with has become normal practice in our country, that of embalming and burial. The times they are a changing however. _________________ “Hell will be filled with people that didn’t cuss, didn’t drink, and may even have been baptized. Why? Because none of those things makes someone a Christian.”
Voddie Baucham |
Acts-celerater Posts: 760 2/8/18 5:51 pm
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Old Time Country Preacher |
The good Book neither condones/condemns the practice. In that light, it is a matter of personal choice.
Think about it, the good Book don't say nothin bout:
Bein buried at sea.
Havin ya casket bein placed in a vault.
Bein buried in a drawer in a mausoleum. |
Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15559 2/8/18 6:15 pm
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Carolyn Smith |
Quiet Wyatt wrote: | My aunt is a funeral director. In the state where she practices, Texas, one can have their loved one buried without embalming if they are buried within 24 hours of death. I could be mistaken, but such ‘immediate’ or ‘direct’ burial has to be offered by all funeral homes. This saves a substantial amount of the cost of burial. Most of the costs associated with funerals nowadays are due to people wanting to have the funeral several days after death, wanting their loved one’s body to look as if they are not dead but just sleeping, and wanting their loved on buried in a fancy casket. |
I think it depends on the state, and I am pretty sure NC does not offer that option. I think you have to get a concrete or steel case the casket goes in here and that alone is $1500. When my aunt passed, we had set amount to work with & the funeral home claimed they "helped us" bear the cost. We buried her in a doeskin casket, the cheapest one made, according the them. _________________ "More of Him...less of me."
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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5904 2/8/18 9:32 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
Carolyn Smith wrote: | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | My aunt is a funeral director. In the state where she practices, Texas, one can have their loved one buried without embalming if they are buried within 24 hours of death. I could be mistaken, but such ‘immediate’ or ‘direct’ burial has to be offered by all funeral homes. This saves a substantial amount of the cost of burial. Most of the costs associated with funerals nowadays are due to people wanting to have the funeral several days after death, wanting their loved one’s body to look as if they are not dead but just sleeping, and wanting their loved on buried in a fancy casket. |
I think it depends on the state, and I am pretty sure NC does not offer that option. I think you have to get a concrete or steel case the casket goes in here and that alone is $1500. When my aunt passed, we had set amount to work with & the funeral home claimed they "helped us" bear the cost. We buried her in a doeskin casket, the cheapest one made, according the them. |
I did a quick search, and found a funeral home in Charlotte right away that offers immediate burial. My understanding is that it is required to be offered by all funeral homes in the USA. |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12784 2/8/18 10:40 pm
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Old Time Country Preacher |
Me an momma both is gonna be cremated. |
Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15559 2/9/18 2:53 am
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Mat |
Carolyn Smith wrote: | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | My aunt is a funeral director. In the state where she practices, Texas, one can have their loved one buried without embalming if they are buried within 24 hours of death. I could be mistaken, but such ‘immediate’ or ‘direct’ burial has to be offered by all funeral homes. This saves a substantial amount of the cost of burial. Most of the costs associated with funerals nowadays are due to people wanting to have the funeral several days after death, wanting their loved one’s body to look as if they are not dead but just sleeping, and wanting their loved on buried in a fancy casket. |
I think it depends on the state, and I am pretty sure NC does not offer that option. I think you have to get a concrete or steel case the casket goes in here and that alone is $1500. When my aunt passed, we had set amount to work with & the funeral home claimed they "helped us" bear the cost. We buried her in a doeskin casket, the cheapest one made, according the them. |
While the laws are different from state to state, and the funeral directors are a powerful political force (or have been). In many states the outer container the casket is put in is simply a requirement of the cemetery and there are private cemeteries that do not require it. They say it keeps the grave from sinking, but it seems that modern steel caskets by themselves could do the same thing. In some states you can get a permit to transport you deceased loved one in the back of your van,station-wagon or truck (if its covered).
Many people struggle with putting their loved ones in the "cold-wet ground", so they buy sealing caskets and sealing outer containers (which runs up the cost). As one embalmer told me, all they are doing is keeping the fluid inside the casket from mixing with the water outside the casket.
If you're going to go with a "traditional" funeral and burial, to save money, buy a non-sealing casket (wood caskets can't be sealed in most cases) and place your loved one in a cemetery that does not require an outer container. Go simple on the marker and remember in a generation the graveside will seldom be visited. However, the good news is Jesus knows exactly where they are.
Mat
PS I think you can buy caskets through Costco - big saving, but funeral directors do not like to work with caskets they did not sell. |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1972 2/9/18 8:53 am
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chestnut ridge |
UncleJD wrote: | I always think about those martyrs who were burned for our Lord's sake. I don't think God cares how the body decomposes. |
spot on |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1722 2/12/18 5:20 pm
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