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 Trump said something dangerous yesterday |
UncleJD |
"I want to confiscate guns first, THEN go through due-process later .... I don't want to wait for courts, we can go to court AFTER we get their guns, I want the cops to do it ..." Not an exact quote but very close, you can watch it yourself. It was in regards to people who should not have guns (but who/when is that decided, and NEVER is when due-process should be skipped)
If Obama had said that, we'd have a coupe by now. I know the context was just about this one guy, and he probably didn't think through what he said so I'm hopeful he will be educated on this. You could see the shock on the faces of all the Republicans at the table and the smiles on the faces of the libs. It was not a good moment. |
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3/1/18 3:17 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
One of the biggest reasons I could not vote for Trump is that it does not appear that he has even read the Constitution of the United States of America.
Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. He is simply revealing glimpses of his liberal, socialist, dictatorial impulses. |
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3/1/18 4:25 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. He is simply revealing glimpses of his liberal, socialist, dictatorial impulses. |
Couldn't agree more about the first part -- but, I don't think the latter is necessarily true. He's shown he has a lot of conservative impulses too. What I think is key is that they're impulses -- abrupt, thoughtless decisions based on whatever happens to me going through his mind at the time. And whether conservative or leftist, the impulses seem to tend toward the authoritarian side. That was what concerned me the most about Trump, and this is an excellent example of it.
He's already walking it back today -- wish I could have been a fly on the wall in the West Wing last night. But maybe this will give some of the Trump fanatics pause. He's on your side til he ain't.
But he has spent the day walking it back, and that's a small comfort. Well, when he wasn't starting trade wars that is.  |
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3/1/18 4:43 pm
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Nature Boy Florida |
Perhaps he will run as a Democrat next time.
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3/1/18 4:51 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
| Dave Dorsey wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. He is simply revealing glimpses of his liberal, socialist, dictatorial impulses. |
Couldn't agree more about the first part -- but, I don't think the latter is necessarily true. He's shown he has a lot of conservative impulses too. What I think is key is that they're impulses -- abrupt, thoughtless decisions based on whatever happens to me going through his mind at the time. And whether conservative or leftist, the impulses seem to tend toward the authoritarian side. That was what concerned me the most about Trump, and this is an excellent example of it.
He's already walking it back today -- wish I could have been a fly on the wall in the West Wing last night. But maybe this will give some of the Trump fanatics pause. He's on your side til he ain't.
But he has spent the day walking it back, and that's a small comfort. Well, when he wasn't starting trade wars that is. :) |
I wasn’t meaning to imply that he had only liberal, socialist, dictatorial impulses/tendencies. He is at heart a supremely selfish con man, who only sees people and political positions as means to an end. If spouting conservative positions will help him get what he wants, he will spout them. |
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3/1/18 8:26 pm
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| 1 Tim. 2:2 must not apply here I guess |
Dean Steenburgh |
Is it safe to say that most of you Trump bashers don't agree with 1 Timothy 2:2?
And save the comment that you're not a Trump basher/hater when all you do is look for the wrong when it concerns this POTUS.
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3/1/18 8:33 pm
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| Re: Trump said something dangerous yesterday |
Cojak |
| UncleJD wrote: | "I want to confiscate guns first, THEN go through due-process later .... I don't want to wait for courts, we can go to court AFTER we get their guns, I want the cops to do it ..." Not an exact quote but very close, you can watch it yourself. It was in regards to people who should not have guns (but who/when is that decided, and NEVER is when due-process should be skipped)
If Obama had said that, we'd have a coupe by now. I know the context was just about this one guy, and he probably didn't think through what he said so I'm hopeful he will be educated on this. You could see the shock on the faces of all the Republicans at the table and the smiles on the faces of the libs. It was not a good moment. |
Yep, the man says things that can be taken MUCH FURTHER than he actually means. Oh yes, he irritates me no end not running everything thru some filters. Maybe in three years he may learn to be a politician, maybe not. I get the feeling he needs teleprompters 24/7 but that ain't gonna happen. Yep, there he done it again! 
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3/1/18 11:58 pm
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Cojak |
Yeah JD, I will say it again. That tired statement said time and time again by us NEVER HILLARY guys, at least I ain't hearing Madam President.
And I was proud of him and our GOP leadership with their response to Billy Graham.
Hey we have what we have. I pray and hope for the best. 
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3/2/18 12:01 am
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Cojak |
And if this was said about that fool who killed school kids I am on his side.
If you hear a person said, "I am gonna be a school shooter."
Or someone says the dude had an AR15 and talks about killing folk. the law should take the dude's gun and let him get it back thru the system.
If he is thinking about one case, it is 'dumb' street talk, take lthe danged thing before he kills someone!
Nah, wait until he pulls the trigger. That to me is stupid.
But I am not considering the constitution at the time, I am considering a THREAT, two different things.! 
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3/2/18 12:07 am
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UncleJD |
| Cojak wrote: | And if this was said about that fool who killed school kids I am on his side.
If you hear a person said, "I am gonna be a school shooter."
Or someone says the dude had an AR15 and talks about killing folk. the law should take the dude's gun and let him get it back thru the system.
If he is thinking about one case, it is 'dumb' street talk, take lthe danged thing before he kills someone!
Nah, wait until he pulls the trigger. That to me is stupid.
But I am not considering the constitution at the time, I am considering a THREAT, two different things.! |
While I agree with your sentiment, I disagree with any denial of due-process. The correct solution would have been to jail the punk for terroristic threats (made on FB, made to friends and family, etc..), THEN, go through the PROPER channels. Period. End of story. Due process in NO WAY means waiting until he "pulled the trigger". I think that is what Trump was really meaning, but it is NOT what he said. |
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3/2/18 10:50 am
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Cojak |
| UncleJD wrote: | ''''
While I agree with your sentiment, I disagree with any denial of due-process. The correct solution would have been to jail the punk for terroristic threats (made on FB, made to friends and family, etc..), THEN, go through the PROPER channels. Period. End of story. Due process in NO WAY means waiting until he "pulled the trigger". I think that is what Trump was really meaning, but it is NOT what he said. |
I was assuming the arrest and jail thing. But YES I agree with you here, I just run off at the typewriter without totally expressing myself.
SIDE NOTE: removed to start another subject without hijacking.
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3/2/18 11:16 am
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| I think it makes perfect sense... |
Aaron Scott |
Consider, that when someone is arrested, they can sit in jail for MONTHS before they are tried (due to bail issues, etc.). That is, they are jailed without due process before being found guilty of a crime.
If someone is considered a threat due to their guns, it is a minor inconvenience to simply have your guns sequestered until the law checks things out. The person is not locked up, etc. But if someone is considered a threat and we WAIT, but then tragedy takes place, who in their right mind wouldn't think their guns should have been taken before it reached this point?
If it were a matter of being jailed, then, yes, due process first. But inasmuch as the law already does a number of things in which a person is arrested, etc., BEFORE due process is given, it seems absolutely reasonable to insist upon the minor inconvenience of having one's guns sequestered until due process is served. It's not like the person isn't getting to eat, or go to work, etc.
Don't let the NRA define everything for us when it comes to guns. We have common sense. |
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3/2/18 11:40 am
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| Re: I think it makes perfect sense... |
UncleJD |
| Aaron Scott wrote: |
Don't let the NRA define everything for us when it comes to guns. We have common sense. |
wow, find out who the NRA is and then get back with me. |
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3/2/18 12:33 pm
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| Re: I think it makes perfect sense... |
Dave Dorsey |
| Aaron Scott wrote: | | Consider, that when someone is arrested, they can sit in jail for MONTHS before they are tried (due to bail issues, etc.). That is, they are jailed without due process before being found guilty of a crime. |
Do you consider this to be just? |
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3/2/18 12:37 pm
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Nature Boy Florida |
If its unconstitutional - then we have nothing to worry about, right?
The Supremes always get it right.
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3/2/18 12:51 pm
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Resident Skeptic |
Why are so many looking to the Federal Government to protect kids in public schools? Schools are not Federal. Any Sheriff in any school district in any State can step in right now and do something. Why are we looking to the city of Rome on the Potomac thousands of miles away to provide solutions for a school district in North Dakota?
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3/2/18 2:21 pm
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| Dave... |
Aaron Scott |
| Dave Dorsey wrote: | | Aaron Scott wrote: | | Consider, that when someone is arrested, they can sit in jail for MONTHS before they are tried (due to bail issues, etc.). That is, they are jailed without due process before being found guilty of a crime. |
Do you consider this to be just? |
Dave, it depends....
I do NOT think it is just or right to have a person sit in prison simply because he/she is too poor to afford bail (assuming this is not some crime where letting them out could be disastrous). That amounts to debtor's prison, in some ways.
BUT...
If the person in jail was attempting to kill his ex-, or was thought to be trying to set off a dirty bomb, do you think it's a good idea for them to be released before we determine the particulars?
I realize it isn't perfect, but sometimes we have to place a hold on someone UNTIL we can determine if they are truly a danger. It's one thing to lock someone up for, say, sitting in a field drunk, but not harming anyone. It's another thing to lock someone up who there is reason to think was planning to kill or injure someone.
But as I pointed out, when it comes to having one's guns sequestered until the particulars can be investigated, that is not something that in any reasonable scenario is truly an inconvenience. I mean, if the police wanted my guns during an investigation, I might not like it, but the truth is that in most cases, I'd probably be about as handy with a bat or knife, as I would with a firearm. In other words, it's not exactly like them causing me to lose my job, or lose my home, or what have you.
AND, since failing to take someone's gun in such a situation could prove to be utterly disastrous, yes, I think a basic level of caution demands that we simply separate the person and his guns until we can either verify the threat or dismiss it. |
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3/2/18 4:01 pm
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diakoneo |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Why are so many looking to the Federal Government to protect kids in public schools? Schools are not Federal. Any Sheriff in any school district in any State can step in right now and do something. Why are we looking to the city of Rome on the Potomac thousands of miles away to provide solutions for a school district in North Dakota? |
My feelings exactly!
It seems we are asking the WRONG people about protecting our children!
These things should be handled locally. Someone should have the responsibility of protecting our children in schools. With that responsibility should come the resources needed. Period.
One size DOES not fit all!! |
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3/2/18 9:57 pm
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