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Post Re: DONT ENGAGE RS Isa 58:12
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Isa 58:12 wrote:
Isa 58:12 wrote:
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Just ignore him. Eventually as he only talks to himself like on his scripture of the day thread, he will fade away.


Thanks for reminding me!!

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How sad, just as the scripture say people were turn their ears away from hearing the truth 😔


Prov 28:9; he that turns away is ear from hearing the Law, even his prayers shall be an abomination😔


And they that stop glorying in the cross become an enemy of the cross.


😶.....my friend, maybe this isn't ur thread, your verse has nothing to do with this thread🙁
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But 1st, here is this week's lesson called mizpahtim, meaning judgments. The lessons are always headlined with the thoughts, here are some thoughts to the lesson: Ex 21:-24:18.
Through the Torah reading you'll run into words like Liberty Ex 21:1-2, see things for measure for measure 21:20, read about restitution 22:4-5, read about Authority 22:27-28, read about impartiality 23:6, read about servanthood 23:20, and prosperity 23:26, and entering God's glory 24:18 😉

Prophets, Jer 34:8-22, 33:25-26, & N.T. Matt 17:1-13 re- entering G-ds Glory is about reaffirming the Covenant Jer 33:25-26😊

& N.T. Matt 17:1-13, is looked at re-entering God's glory 17:11-13😁

This again is another wonderful lesson to learn all about Messiah, looking forward to your guyses insights and what you found 😃

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Isa 58:12 wrote:
But 1st, here is this week's lesson called mizpahtim, meaning judgments. The lessons are always headlined with the thoughts, here are some thoughts to the lesson: Ex 21:-24:18.
Through the Torah reading you'll run into words like Liberty Ex 21:1-2, see things for measure for measure 21:20, read about restitution 22:4-5, read about Authority 22:27-28, read about impartiality 23:6, read about servanthood 23:20, and prosperity 23:26, and entering God's glory 24:18 😉

Prophets, Jer 34:8-22, 33:25-26, & N.T. Matt 17:1-13 re- entering G-ds Glory is about reaffirming the Covenant Jer 33:25-26😊

& N.T. Matt 17:1-13, is looked at re-entering God's glory 17:11-13😁

This again is another wonderful lesson to learn all about Messiah, looking forward to your guyses insights and what you found 😃

Shalom


The Old Covenant was about the glory of God (the goodness of God - see Exod 33:18,19) hidden behind a veil. It was an exterior glory that those people sought to enter.

But as He says in Hebrews 8:9, the new covenant is "not like" the old one. It's better.

The New Covenant is about the glory (goodness) of God unveiled in Christ. It is an interior glory that has entered us.

2 Cor 3:12 Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, 13 and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. 14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16 but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

The fading glory was on Moses. The remaining/surpassing glory is in us.

2 Cor 4:6 For God, who said, “Light shall shine out of darkness,” is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing greatness of the power will be of God and not from ourselves;
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Isa 58:12 wrote:
But 1st, here is this week's lesson called mizpahtim, meaning judgments. The lessons are always headlined with the thoughts, here are some thoughts to the lesson: Ex 21:-24:18.
Through the Torah reading you'll run into words like Liberty Ex 21:1-2, see things for measure for measure 21:20, read about restitution 22:4-5, read about Authority 22:27-28, read about impartiality 23:6, read about servanthood 23:20, and prosperity 23:26, and entering God's glory 24:18 😉

Prophets, Jer 34:8-22, 33:25-26, & N.T. Matt 17:1-13 re- entering G-ds Glory is about reaffirming the Covenant Jer 33:25-26😊

& N.T. Matt 17:1-13, is looked at re-entering God's glory 17:11-13😁

This again is another wonderful lesson to learn all about Messiah, looking forward to your guyses insights and what you found 😃

Shalom


The Old Covenant was about the glory of God (the goodness of God - see Exod 33:18,19) hidden behind a veil. It was an exterior glory that those people sought to enter.

But as He says in Hebrews 8:9, the new covenant is "not like" the old one. It's better.

The New Covenant is about the glory (goodness) of God unveiled in Christ. It is an interior glory that has entered us.

2 Cor 3:12 Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, 13 and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. 14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16 but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

The fading glory was on Moses. The remaining/surpassing glory is in us.

2 Cor 4:6 For God, who said, “Light shall shine out of darkness,” is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing greatness of the power will be of God and not from ourselves;


Heb 7-9 are speaking of the high Priestly laws that are done away with, not all of Torah. brad, Light is Torah PS 119:105, & so is Knowledge & it is the Glory of G-d 😉. Y'shua is Light because He is the Living Torah John 1:14 😀

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Isa 58:12 wrote:
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Isa 58:12 wrote:
But 1st, here is this week's lesson called mizpahtim, meaning judgments. The lessons are always headlined with the thoughts, here are some thoughts to the lesson: Ex 21:-24:18.
Through the Torah reading you'll run into words like Liberty Ex 21:1-2, see things for measure for measure 21:20, read about restitution 22:4-5, read about Authority 22:27-28, read about impartiality 23:6, read about servanthood 23:20, and prosperity 23:26, and entering God's glory 24:18 😉

Prophets, Jer 34:8-22, 33:25-26, & N.T. Matt 17:1-13 re- entering G-ds Glory is about reaffirming the Covenant Jer 33:25-26😊

& N.T. Matt 17:1-13, is looked at re-entering God's glory 17:11-13😁

This again is another wonderful lesson to learn all about Messiah, looking forward to your guyses insights and what you found 😃

Shalom


The Old Covenant was about the glory of God (the goodness of God - see Exod 33:18,19) hidden behind a veil. It was an exterior glory that those people sought to enter.

But as He says in Hebrews 8:9, the new covenant is "not like" the old one. It's better.

The New Covenant is about the glory (goodness) of God unveiled in Christ. It is an interior glory that has entered us.

2 Cor 3:12 Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, 13 and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. 14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16 but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

The fading glory was on Moses. The remaining/surpassing glory is in us.

2 Cor 4:6 For God, who said, “Light shall shine out of darkness,” is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing greatness of the power will be of God and not from ourselves;


Heb 7-9 are speaking of the high Priestly laws that are done away with, not all of Torah. brad, Light is Torah PS 119:105, & so is Knowledge & it is the Glory of G-d 😉. Y'shua is Light because He is the Living Torah John 1:14 😀

Shalom


The Greek for Word in John 1:14 is "logos."
The Greek for Law in John 1:17 is "nomos."

Jesus isn't the Law (nomos) made flesh, He is the Word made flesh (logos).
Jesus isn't the "ministry of death" made flesh, He came that we might have life.
Jesus isn't the "ministry of condemnation" made flesh, there is no condemnation for people in Him.
Jesus doesn't "increase sin", He takes it away.
Jesus doesn't "give opportunity to sin", He condemned sin.
Jesus isn't the "strength of sin", He put away sin.
Jesus isn't "weak and useless" to make anyone perfect, His offering has perfected us forever.
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Post Re: Aaron: Etymology of the Name Jesus sonofasoldier
Yehoshua is the correct translation which is a compound of Yehovah (Jehovah) self-existent, Hosea posseser of salvation and Joshua deliverer of salvation. There are many named Yeshua (Joshua) but Yehoshua is so unique it is a name that stands above all other names and is the only name under heaven by which we must be saved.
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Hebrew/Aramaic
Hebrew יְהֹושֻׁעַ which transliterated into English is Yehoshu‘a. The Aramaic shortens it to יְֹשֻׁעַ, or Yeshu‘a. From a possible dialect in Galilee, Yeshu.

Greek
from ιησουν and transliterated it is iesoun, which is derived from Ἰησου̂ς, or Iesous (Yay soos). Note, the Greek did not have the “sh” sound and therefore missing the rendering Iesous.

Latin
Iesu retaining the “ya” sound (Yay –su)

English
There was no “j” in the English language until around the 14th century and then it was used sparingly. Even then, the Old English retained the German sounding of “y” and therefore Jesus was pronounced with the “y” sounding, Yay-soos.

It wasn’t until the 17th Century that the “j,” influenced by the French sounding, began to take on the hardened form and therefore Jesus sounded Gee-soos. Even so, the original King James transliterated the name as Iesus. Revisions inserted the J and, as they say, the rest is history.
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Isa 58:12 wrote:
bradfreeman wrote:
Isa 58:12 wrote:
But 1st, here is this week's lesson called mizpahtim, meaning judgments. The lessons are always headlined with the thoughts, here are some thoughts to the lesson: Ex 21:-24:18.
Through the Torah reading you'll run into words like Liberty Ex 21:1-2, see things for measure for measure 21:20, read about restitution 22:4-5, read about Authority 22:27-28, read about impartiality 23:6, read about servanthood 23:20, and prosperity 23:26, and entering God's glory 24:18 😉

Prophets, Jer 34:8-22, 33:25-26, & N.T. Matt 17:1-13 re- entering G-ds Glory is about reaffirming the Covenant Jer 33:25-26😊

& N.T. Matt 17:1-13, is looked at re-entering God's glory 17:11-13😁

This again is another wonderful lesson to learn all about Messiah, looking forward to your guyses insights and what you found 😃

Shalom


The Old Covenant was about the glory of God (the goodness of God - see Exod 33:18,19) hidden behind a veil. It was an exterior glory that those people sought to enter.

But as He says in Hebrews 8:9, the new covenant is "not like" the old one. It's better.

The New Covenant is about the glory (goodness) of God unveiled in Christ. It is an interior glory that has entered us.

2 Cor 3:12 Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, 13 and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. 14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16 but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

The fading glory was on Moses. The remaining/surpassing glory is in us.

2 Cor 4:6 For God, who said, “Light shall shine out of darkness,” is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing greatness of the power will be of God and not from ourselves;


Heb 7-9 are speaking of the high Priestly laws that are done away with, not all of Torah. brad, Light is Torah PS 119:105, & so is Knowledge & it is the Glory of G-d 😉. Y'shua is Light because He is the Living Torah John 1:14 😀

Shalom


The Greek for Word in John 1:14 is "logos."
The Greek for Law in John 1:17 is "nomos."

Jesus isn't the Law (nomos) made flesh, He is the Word made flesh (logos).
Jesus isn't the "ministry of death" made flesh, He came that we might have life.
Jesus isn't the "ministry of condemnation" made flesh, there is no condemnation for people in Him.
Jesus doesn't "increase sin", He takes it away.
Jesus doesn't "give opportunity to sin", He condemned sin.
Jesus isn't the "strength of sin", He put away sin.
Jesus isn't "weak and useless" to make anyone perfect, His offering has perfected us forever.


Let me try to make this simple as possible with your definitions with no biblical background😕

Logos, Word of G-d, what Word wad Y'shua in John 1:14, when this was written there was no NT? Torah, He is the written Torah. Law, nomos, there is only one word for law in the Greek and is always in a bad spot light. In the New Testament you have the Law of G-d Law of Christ, Law of love Law of Moshe, Law of the Spirit, Law if the flesh...etc. P so which one does nomos apply to? The Greek does not replace the Hebrew, & in the Hebrew u have a deeper understanding in every word they have many applications

In John 1:17, the word "but" was place in there 😕. Not saying what you think. & Y'shua certainly was & is the Law/ Torah made flesh, as that was the only Word spoken & written. What Laws do you think are written in your heart, that's OT spoken Jer 31

The Law ministers both life and death, choose life that you may live. Y'shua is life, and without Him is death

The Law doesn't minister condemnation, the Law X poses your sin, & and people don't like that John 3:20...Light is the Word/Torah Ps 119:105 & Y'shua is the Light, they r the same

The Law doesn't increase ur sin.... unless u willfully break it...

The Law doesn't give you the opportunity to sin, it gives you the opportunity to get it right.

The Law is not the strength of sin...🙄

G-ds Laws/Instructions r not weak & "useless". Where did u come up with this nonsense, u have no Bible verses. .brad, who has Bewitched you that you should not obey the Truth. I want you to think about that, that's real serious your comments on G-ds Law r absolutely incorrect. & It is the Law of G-d you speaking about, He wrote the Law of Moshe Ex 31:18
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Let me try to make this simple as possible with your definitions with no biblical background😕

Logos, Word of G-d, what Word wad Y'shua in John 1:14, when this was written there was no NT? Torah, He is the written Torah. Law, nomos, there is only one word for law in the Greek and is always in a bad spot light. In the New Testament you have the Law of G-d Law of Christ, Law of love Law of Moshe, Law of the Spirit, Law if the flesh...etc. P so which one does nomos apply to? The Greek does not replace the Hebrew, & in the Hebrew u have a deeper understanding in every word they have many applications


The John 1:17 law is simply that which "was given through Moses."

John 1:17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.


The John 1:17 law is that which hid God in thick darkness and gloom and veiled His goodness so that "no one has seen God at any time."

You could not see God under that covenant. But grace and truth realized in Christ has explained God.

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In John 1:17, the word "but" was place in there 😕. Not saying what you think. & Y'shua certainly was & is the Law/ Torah made flesh, as that was the only Word spoken & written. What Laws do you think are written in your heart, that's OT spoken Jer 31


What laws are written in our hearts?

The law of faith, not the law of works.

Rom 3:27 Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

The law of life, not the law of death.

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

The law of freedom, not the yoke of bondage.

James 1:25 But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does.

The law of love, not the self-love of the law (love as you love yourself), the selfless love of Jesus.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

These are the laws He has written on our hearts.

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The Law ministers both life and death, choose life that you may live. Y'shua is life, and without Him is death


There is a life you can attempt to find in the law.
It is life apart from His life (not His righteousness, but a righteousness of your own). The self-righteousness of the law only ministers death.

Rom 10:3 For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. 5 For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.

Gal 3:11 Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.” 12 However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “He who practices them shall live by them.”

Christ ended that whole self-righteous, death-producing system and gave us access to God's righteousness, by faith.

Rom 7:9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me.

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The Law doesn't minister condemnation, the Law X poses your sin, & and people don't like that John 3:20...Light is the Word/Torah Ps 119:105 & Y'shua is the Light, they r the same


Where is the scripture to support this proposition? Paul says the Law is the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of death.

2 Cor 3:7 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory.

It is the letter that kills. He doesn't make you adequate as a minister of the letter.

2 Cor 3:6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

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The Law doesn't increase ur sin.... unless u willfully break it...


That was the purpose of the law.

Rom 3:20 The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

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The Law doesn't give you the opportunity to sin, it gives you the opportunity to get it right.


The law doesn't give opportunity to sinners, it revives sin and gives opportunity for sin to kill us.

Rom 7:8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me.

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The Law is not the strength of sin...🙄


1 Cor. 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.

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G-ds Laws/Instructions r not weak & "useless". Where did u come up with this nonsense, u have no Bible verses. .brad, who has Bewitched you that you should not obey the Truth. I want you to think about that, that's real serious your comments on G-ds Law r absolutely incorrect. & It is the Law of G-d you speaking about, He wrote the Law of Moshe Ex 31:18


Weak and useless.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,

Heb. 7:18,19 For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness (for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

Heb 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

It's obsolete, because He made it obsolete, and disappeared about 4 years after Hebrews as written.

He isn't writing weak and useless commands on our hearts.
He isn't writing commands He made obsolete on our hearts.
He isn't writing condemnation and death on our hearts - there is no condemnation in Him.
He isn't writing commands that kill, revive sin, give opportunity to sin, increase sin and strengthen sin - the thief comes to kills, He give life.

He has written faith, life, freedom and selfless love on our hearts.

When you finally turn from Moses (dead works) to Christ, the veil on your heart will be taken away and you will see it!

2 Cor. 3:14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16 but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

If you need more scripture, I'll be happy to supply it.
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"Where did u come up with this nonsense, u have no Bible verses."

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Doesn't that concern u brad, no scripture verses backup? Who had Bewitched u that u should not obey the Truth? I hope u read the Bible lesson I put up, I hope to hear from u on it 😉. You are speaking of another gospel...
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Doesn't that concern u brad, no scripture verses backup? Who had Bewitched u that u should not obey the Truth? I hope u read the Bible lesson I put up, I hope to hear from u on it 😉. You are speaking of another gospel...

Uh... starting to feel like spartanfan might be right about you being a parody/troll.

Brad posted several Scriptures -- the ones that quoted verbatim the statements he made (and you mocked) in his previous post. Maybe you didn't see it because you're on your phone?
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Doesn't that concern u brad, no scripture verses backup? Who had Bewitched u that u should not obey the Truth? I hope u read the Bible lesson I put up, I hope to hear from u on it 😉. You are speaking of another gospel...

Uh... starting to feel like spartanfan might be right about you being a parody/troll.

Brad posted several Scriptures -- the ones that quoted verbatim the statements he made (and you mocked) in his previous post. Maybe you didn't see it because you're on your phone?


I guess...., But u promise u, I am the same guy from 2006-2010. Here is my picture 😀
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Did u read the Bible lesson dave? I don't know if brad did, because it would answer a lot of your questions on the Law & what it is 😋

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Did u read the Bible lesson dave? I don't know if brad did, because it would answer a lot of your questions on the Law & what it is 😋

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I read and responded to each of the scriptures you cited. I hope you will afford me the same courtesy with regard to my responses and scriptures.
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Did u read the Bible lesson dave? I don't know if brad did, because it would answer a lot of your questions on the Law & what it is 😋

Shalom


I read and responded to each of the scriptures you cited. I hope you will afford me the same courtesy with regard to my responses and scriptures.


Sure, no problem, let's just not make it as long as Gone with the Wind. & How about you go through the 613 Commandments of G-d that I posted in the feature presentation place and show me The Binding Laws. Thank you
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bradfreeman wrote:
Isa 58:12 wrote:
Did u read the Bible lesson dave? I don't know if brad did, because it would answer a lot of your questions on the Law & what it is 😋

Shalom


I read and responded to each of the scriptures you cited. I hope you will afford me the same courtesy with regard to my responses and scriptures.


Present 1 it 2 Scripture with ur ideas on what u think it says
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Isa 58:12 wrote:
bradfreeman wrote:
Isa 58:12 wrote:
Did u read the Bible lesson dave? I don't know if brad did, because it would answer a lot of your questions on the Law & what it is 😋

Shalom


I read and responded to each of the scriptures you cited. I hope you will afford me the same courtesy with regard to my responses and scriptures.


Present 1 it 2 Scripture with ur ideas on what u think it says


Why don't you start with any 1 or 2 scriptures I have already presented (along with my thoughts on them)? I'll make it easy. Here are 1 or 2 scriptures to discuss:

Is the Law weak and useless?.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,

Heb. 7:18,19 For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness (for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

Heb 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

It's obsolete, because He made it obsolete, and disappeared about 4 years after Hebrews as written.
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Ok brad, I see ur cherry picking Scriptures out of context trying to make something that's not there, watch 😶. U said Rom 8:3: for what the Law could not do, in that it was weak through the "flesh"(through the flesh, what we want, not Torah), G-d sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, "condemned"(vs1) sin in the "flesh".

But now let's add the 1st 2 Scriptures, vs 1; there is therefore now "no" "condemnation"(vs1) to them which are in Messiah Y'shua, who walk "not" after the "flesh"(vs3) but after the "Spirit". Rom 7:14; for we know that the Law is "Spiritual"(Rom 8) but I am carnal, (flesh) sold under sin(lawlessness). But there is condemnation In the Flesh, Torahlessness brad, would you agree.

Rom 8:1 also goes with Gal 2:19; for I through the Law I am dead to the law(of death, because you're doing what's right in G-d's eyes through Y'shua) that I might live unto G-d. When you're walking with Messiah through the Law, your dead to it, there's no condemnation you're not living in the "flesh"(how we think things should be) your living in the "Spirit" Rom 7:14

Rom 8:2; for the Law of the "Spirit"(7:14) of "life" (Deut 30:19)in Messiah Y'shua has made me free from the law of sin and death(Deut 30:19). Forgiveness of Lawlessness through Y'shua brings "life". This verse deals with two things, "life" and "death", this is more understood by what the Torah says is in Deuteronomy 30: 15-16, 19-20.

Rom 7:12; wherefore the Law is Holy, and the Commandment Holy, and Just and Good. But u brad say the opposite, this is more understood by Proverbs 9:10; the fear of the L-rd is the "beginning" of Wisdom and the Knowledge of the "Holy" is Understanding. The Book of Prov deal with G-ds Torah/Instructions, & His Law is Holy Rom 7:14😜

Romans 8 is a great contrast between life and death, bondage, Neh 9:16-19, Isa 5:13, Hos 4:6. & Who His children are😀

& Again, when you let the Bible interpret the Bible you get a far different understanding then yours brad. I pray the L-rd will open up your eyes on this

Oh yea, Heb 8:13... Hebrews chapters 7 8 & 9 deal with the high priest & sacrifices, Messiah is our High Priest Heb 4:14-16 & He is the last sacrifice being Perfect Heb 10. Again, not the same outcome that you preach🙄😉

Shalom
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Ok brad, I see ur cherry picking Scriptures out of context trying to make something that's not there


Someone posts a thorough post filled with Scripture: "OH MY GOODNESS IT'S LIKE GONE WITH THE WIND, no one could ever read that much! Please just post one or two! I'M ON A PHONE!"

Someone posts a couple of verses: "Oh I can see you're just gonna cherry pick a verse here or there"

What a joke!
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