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bradfreeman |
If divine healing is provided for all in the atonement, then:
Who gets healed and why?
Is natural healing the same thing as the divine healing provided for in the atonement?
Is death the same thing as divine healing? In other words, do you believe death was part of the divine healing provided for all in the atonement?
What are your "go-to" responses to these questions?
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brotherjames |
not worth debating as becomes mostly snarky and ill mannered posts and doesn't change a thing.
Just hit search and you can find many debates over the years that dealt with all the major issues you are asking for, seriously.
(and you were in most of them) |
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12/13/17 10:25 am
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Dave Dorsey |
Though I suspect I disagree with brotherjames on the answers, I agree with brotherjames on the issue. 
These questions elude "go-to" answers, but they have been discussed thoroughly many times before.
It might be more interesting to tackle the discussion from a different angle -- such as which writers/books make compelling arguments for various positions and why. More of a perspective sharing than a debate. |
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12/13/17 10:29 am
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Quiet Wyatt |
| bradfreeman wrote: | If divine healing is provided for all in the atonement, then:
Who gets healed and why? |
Whomever God decides to heal, amongst those who are asking Him for healing.
| Quote: | | Who doesn't get healed and why? |
Those who don’t ask in faith, those whom God has determined are sick unto death, and those in whom God deems it to be a greater good for them to not be healed instantly.
| Quote: | | Is natural healing the same thing as the divine healing provided for in the atonement? |
No.
| Quote: | | Is death the same thing as divine healing? In other words, do you believe death was part of the divine healing provided for all in the atonement? |
No, death is part of the curse we all endure in this fallen world,
ultimately due to sin. Death has passed to all mankind.
Resurrection will be the ultimate healing for the redeemed. We eagerly await the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our bodies. |
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brotherjames |
Christ the Healer. F.F. Bosworth
definitive discourse of Pentecostal theology of healing |
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12/13/17 11:45 am
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| Re: What is your theology of healing? |
Nature Boy Florida |
| bradfreeman wrote: | If divine healing is provided for all in the atonement, then:
Who gets healed and why?
Who doesn't get healed and why?
Is natural healing the same thing as the divine healing provided for in the atonement?
Is death the same thing as divine healing? In other words, do you believe death was part of the divine healing provided for all in the atonement?
What are your "go-to" responses to these questions? |
Lets cut out the middle man and go ahead and post the Brad answers for all to see.
The real question is: What glory do you receive out of this? You have done this incessantly for years. Just link to one of your hundreds of threads that ask the same questions - and we can just all enjoy your superior responses all at once instead of piecemeal.
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bradfreeman |
| brotherjames wrote: | not worth debating as becomes mostly snarky and ill mannered posts and doesn't change a thing.
Just hit search and you can find many debates over the years that dealt with all the major issues you are asking for, seriously.
(and you were in most of them) |
Not interested in debate here. I just want to know, if you'd like to share, how you answer these questions for suffering people you encounter.
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Nature Boy Florida |
| bradfreeman wrote: | | brotherjames wrote: | not worth debating as becomes mostly snarky and ill mannered posts and doesn't change a thing.
Just hit search and you can find many debates over the years that dealt with all the major issues you are asking for, seriously.
(and you were in most of them) |
Not interested in debate here. I just want to know, if you'd like to share, how you answer these questions for suffering people you encounter. |
No debate wanted.
Start us off - share your answers.
Or is there some reason you want to wait to share yours? Sounds fishy.
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bradfreeman |
| Quote: | If divine healing is provided for all in the atonement, then:
Who gets healed and why? |
Those who pray a prayer of faith. James 5:15
| Quote: | | Who doesn't get healed and why? |
People get sick because of Adam's sin. Rom 5:12
Those who don't ask in faith don't get healed.
Everyone who asked got healed in Jesus' ministry and He showed us the Father.
| Quote: | | Is natural healing the same thing as the divine healing provided for in the atonement? |
I don't believe natural healing is the same thing as divine healing, although our Maker wired us to heal.
| Quote: | | Is death the same thing as divine healing? In other words, do you believe death was part of the divine healing provided for all in the atonement? |
Death is God's enemy, not His tool. 1 Cor. 15:26
| Quote: | | What are your "go-to" responses to these questions? |
When people are sick, I try to build their faith in what Jesus did and remove from their thinking any thought that they are disqualified or qualified for healing on the basis of what they've done or haven't done in the flesh. It's all because of His stripes that we were healed.
Mat 8:16 When evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed. And He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick, 17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying:
“He Himself took our infirmities
And bore our sicknesses.â€
Here are my answers. What are yours?
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Nature Boy Florida |
[quote="bradfreeman"] | Quote: |
| Quote: | | Who doesn't get healed and why? |
People get sick because of Adam's sin. Rom 5:12
Those who don't ask in faith don't get healed.
Everyone who asked got healed in Jesus' ministry and He showed us the Father.
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Those who don't ask in faith don't get healed.
Not true. Some people in Jesus ministry got healed that didn't ask. Certainly the dead people didn't ask nor have any faith exercised - yet still got healed.
Question: Lazarus - did he have enough faith to be healed before he died? Or did he die simply because he didn't have enough faith?
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| Re: What is your theology of healing? |
Tom Sterbens |
| bradfreeman wrote: | If divine healing is provided for all in the atonement, then:
Who gets healed and why?
Is natural healing the same thing as the divine healing provided for in the atonement?
Is death the same thing as divine healing? In other words, do you believe death was part of the divine healing provided for all in the atonement?
What are your "go-to" responses to these questions? |
Gordon Fee: The Disease of the Health and Wealth Gospel
This book has pretty much encapsulates where I have landed.
I do wish he would have re-published it under another title.
I did NOT attach it for the sake of the title and to begin another endless thread of debate on the Word of Faith thing.
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12/14/17 9:35 am
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brotherjames |
What book? You not only didn't attach it you didn't name it or maybe you didn't want to but I'm sorry, I'm confused.
T.l. Osborne by chance? |
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12/14/17 9:40 am
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bradfreeman |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Not true. Some people in Jesus ministry got healed that didn't ask. Certainly the dead people didn't ask nor have any faith exercised - yet still got healed.
Question: Lazarus - did he have enough faith to be healed before he died? Or did he die simply because he didn't have enough faith? |
You're right - some without faith got healed. But none with faith failed to get healed.
As for Lazarus, the scripture doesn't say anything about his faith. His sisters didn't appear to be expecting a resurrection. Perhaps another example of how those without faith got healed. But again, everyone with faith got healed.
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I'm fer it.
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| Re: What is your theology of healing? |
Quiet Wyatt |
| Tom Sterbens wrote: | | bradfreeman wrote: | If divine healing is provided for all in the atonement, then:
Who gets healed and why?
Is natural healing the same thing as the divine healing provided for in the atonement?
Is death the same thing as divine healing? In other words, do you believe death was part of the divine healing provided for all in the atonement?
What are your "go-to" responses to these questions? |
Gordon Fee: The Disease of the Health and Wealth Gospel
This book has pretty much encapsulates where I have landed.
I do wish he would have re-published it under another title.
I did NOT attach it for the sake of the title and to begin another endless thread of debate on the Word of Faith thing. |
I have always LOVED his title! |
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12/14/17 8:02 pm
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Tom Sterbens |
| brotherjames wrote: | What book? You not only didn't attach it you didn't name it or maybe you didn't want to but I'm sorry, I'm confused.
T.l. Osborne by chance? |
Oops...I fixed it earlier. Thanks!!! |
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12/14/17 8:08 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | I have always LOVED his title! |
As a former health and wealth adherent, I have to agree. Sometimes you have to call something out for what it is. |
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