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| 21stcenturyministry wrote: | | Mailing to prison and reading in prison are 2 different things. Churches get a ton of evangels mailed by the month. I bet less the 3 out of 10 are really read. I think it ends up as toilet paper in prison😳 I'm kidding. But honestly how many are actually read compared to just thrown away. |
Same for Bibles. |
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9/7/17 7:27 pm
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Online is not such a bad idea. I would like to see parallel online and hard copy for another 5-10 years. Lots of elderly saints who love to hold it and read it will be heaven bound by then. Some do not have smart phones nor computers to read it on line.
But as I said, my feelings it should be online.
I just barely get by online myself, many of my peers can not even sign on, much less navigate.
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Yes but go online only. |
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9/7/17 10:19 pm
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| 21stcenturyministry wrote: |
Yes but go online only. |
As long as it is ministering to people in either form, it should be continued. When I was in a church that provided it, I read it every month. As Cojak said, there are many who would never read it digitally but will read the print version. It's not a special club or anything. It is a business, but it is also a ministry.
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9/7/17 11:41 pm
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| Carolyn Smith wrote: | | 21stcenturyministry wrote: |
Yes but go online only. |
As long as it is ministering to people in either form, it should be continued. When I was in a church that provided it, I read it every month. As Cojak said, there are many who would never read it digitally but will read the print version. It's not a special club or anything. It is a business, but it is also a ministry. |
Would you read it if you had to pay for it? Make it subscription only for physical copy's for those that want it and churches that want to pay for it for their members. Sending it for free to every church assuming they are putting it out for the congregations is not good stewardship and the resources could be use developing other useful methods of outreach or communication l. This way the untechnical and the prisons can get the evangel if those ministries wish to pay for postage and printing. |
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| 21stcenturyministry wrote: | | Chicago27 wrote: | | 21stcenturyministry wrote: | | spartanfan wrote: | | should be 20th century old sour grapes. Just sayin'. |
then tell me who is being served by these publications. It is certainly not the local pastor it is monthly official or aspiring officials strut fest to parade around and show off. A website could do that more efficiently and after we "strut" then we could add some articles about church growth. I remember the months leading up to culpeppers election as general every month of the evangel had an ad for his books for sale. I personally think that was tacky and how much free publicity did he get for it. |
Prisoners, who are not allowed online, receive Evangel. I guess, because of your precious money, you would take it away from them. Nice. |
Prisoners have internet. You make it sound like we are the only christian magazine surely there's other ways |
Not at the prison I teach at. It is strictly off-limits. Even the computer classes are not connected to the internet. |
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9/8/17 6:21 am
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Chicago27 |
| Carolyn Smith wrote: | | 21stcenturyministry wrote: |
Yes but go online only. |
As long as it is ministering to people in either form, it should be continued. When I was in a church that provided it, I read it every month. As Cojak said, there are many who would never read it digitally but will read the print version. It's not a special club or anything. It is a business, but it is also a ministry. |
There are many elderly people who look forward to getting theirs either in the mail or at church. Are we a ministry or a profit center? |
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9/8/17 6:30 am
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The Evangel cannot just be boiled down to dollars and cents. There is a very rich tradition for the Church of God in this magazine. Further, many members--the aged and the poor, usually--do not have or use internet access.
It has given me and outlet for a couple of articles.
Then, some years ago, I read an article in the Evangel, and I could scarcely believe my eyes. An illustration that my dad used many times for an altar call was written about by the overseer that had experienced a deeply personal tragedy. I contacted the man (I am not mentioning his name for privacy reasons)...and when I told him "the rest of the story" about the tragedy that had so impacted his family, he seemed to see that God has used it all in an even bigger way than he imagined. I trust there was also some closure on his end by hearing how God had used it all to bring people to take their salvation seriously.
There are things too precious to get rid of, no matter what the financial issue. Consider that we might find coal in the Smoky Mountains and make billions from destroying those beautiful places. Would it be worth it? We could sell lots along the rim of the Grand Canyon, etc.
My point is that the Evangel is one of those precious things we hold. While money is indeed a consideration, it cannot be really be about the money. There will likely come a day when everyone is doing their reading online. Then...yes, perhaps. But there are plenty of folks--I'm one of them--who reads the Evangel every time I can get ahold of one. |
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9/8/17 6:32 am
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Simply email them in PDF format
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I am pretty sure the Evangel is not free.
I believe it cost $25 per month for 10 copies. It is billed monthly for those who still get Sunday school material from Pathway. I may be wrong on the amount but I am sure there is a charge...or at least there was when I was pastoring.  |
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9/8/17 4:58 pm
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georgiapath |
| Carolyn Smith wrote: | It is available by subscription only. It is a business arm of the church. They have budgets to meet to survive.
It must be a terrible responsibility to be the only person in the COG that has any insight on such things. |
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9/8/17 9:44 pm
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| Aaron Scott wrote: | The Evangel cannot just be boiled down to dollars and cents. There is a very rich tradition for the Church of God in this magazine. Further, many members--the aged and the poor, usually--do not have or use internet access.
It has given me and outlet for a couple of articles.
Then, some years ago, I read an article in the Evangel, and I could scarcely believe my eyes. An illustration that my dad used many times for an altar call was written about by the overseer that had experienced a deeply personal tragedy. I contacted the man (I am not mentioning his name for privacy reasons)...and when I told him "the rest of the story" about the tragedy that had so impacted his family, he seemed to see that God has used it all in an even bigger way than he imagined. I trust there was also some closure on his end by hearing how God had used it all to bring people to take their salvation seriously.
There are things too precious to get rid of, no matter what the financial issue. Consider that we might find coal in the Smoky Mountains and make billions from destroying those beautiful places. Would it be worth it? We could sell lots along the rim of the Grand Canyon, etc.
My point is that the Evangel is one of those precious things we hold. While money is indeed a consideration, it cannot be really be about the money. There will likely come a day when everyone is doing their reading online. Then...yes, perhaps. But there are plenty of folks--I'm one of them--who reads the Evangel every time I can get ahold of one. |
The Evangel publishes Aaron Scott stuff?!?!?!?!?!??!??!
How soon can we shut it down? 
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9/9/17 9:47 am
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| roughridercog wrote: | | Simply email them in PDF format |
Its shore enuff possible to PDF it to everbody, Rough, but can ya just imagine all them padded numbers for pastoral visits, SS, MW, etc.. an all? Son, even a PDF would weigh 100 pounds for some a our preachers stats. |
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| As one who is an incurable reader and bibliophile, I really hate to see what appears to be the inevitable universal digitalization of all print which is coming. I do believe there will still be a place for ink-and-paper publications, but it will probably be more and more of a niche rather than the norm which it has been. No doubt many mourned the passing of manuscript books once movable-type printing became commonplace. Just as carriage-makers had to adjust or go out of business once the "horseless carriage," became so universally popular, print magazines, newspapers and books must also adapt or perish. There may still be some print media in the future, but it appears to be greatly diminishing in the years to come. I still will hold on to my large personal library, even while I build an even more vast personal digital library. |
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georgiapath |
| 21stcenturyministry wrote: |
Yes but go online only. |
Why do you care, are you paying for it. People have already said that some of the elderly can't go on line. |
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