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Why Do We Feel So Different About Confederate Monuments?

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6032 **8/15/17 11:38 am**

I think all of us would likely be greatly repulsed if we found that a group of people were memorializing Nazis (along with swastikas, iron crosses, etc.), but claimed that they were doing so, NOT to celebrate or support the Holocaust or other Nazi atrocities, but rather to memorialize their bravery, etc. Yet I have to admit that I despite the South having stood for slavery, I am not at all happy with the removal of such Civil War monuments, etc.

Why is that? Am I being hypocritical? I certainly am not for slavery. Yet I feel saddened about the almost joyous removal of these "relics" (if you will). We know that no matter how we spin it, we will never be able to make it a matter that does not include the preservation of slavery. So why do we feel that those who fought for the South are somehow underserving of the righteous indignation, etc.?

At the same time, do the anti-Southern forces understand that to be logically consistent, they may have to take Washington and Jefferson down from Mt. Rushmore...remove them from currency...change the name of states, cities, towns, etc.?

Can we make an argument that would work for US, but not for Nazis? If not, then why hold that our ancestors were any different?

Thoughts?

Nature Boy Florida

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16619 **8/15/17 12:36 pm**

Rushmore is next - right after Stone Mountain.

I, nor any ancestors I can trace, have ever lived anywhere but the South.

But, I have no problem having every monument to the losing side torn down. We lost. It's just the way it is.

Who gets trophies for losing unless you are the Tennessee Volunteer football team?

I do wonder what we will do at Gettysburg - do we dig up all the Confederate soldiers graves?
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UncleJD

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3138 **8/15/17 12:40 pm**

Nazis were a political party, not a people.

Southerners were a people, not a party. "Confederate" is not the name of a political ideology, just the name of the group of states that seceded from the Federal Union.

Southerners were invaded by their own countrymen, then after being defeated were despoiled of everything they had and left in extreme poverty for generations. I personally have letters from my great-great grandfather showing he was an extremely educated man, and his granchildren born after the war were illiterate share-croppers. The South went through a lot during the punitive Reconstruction era, maybe justifiably, but a lot nevertheless, which is still remembered. This is not ancient history. I know people alive today who's grandparents remembered the War very clearly. I know my own grandfather had no better than a 5th grade education because he and his siblings had to work 10 hour days to keep food on the table and yes that is largely because the Northern carpetbaggers bought everything worth owning and destroyed most everything else. So, when I see someone destroying a statue that most likely reads something like "In honor of those in this county who left their homes and died to defend their families" then I think of my own grandparents and their parents who had to endure so much for so long, and now some snot-nosed idiot who has no idea they are repeating the 1918 Bolshevik revolution is desecrating real peoples' memories and calling THEM fascists when my grandfather's generation fought a war in Europe against the REAL fascists, it infuriates me.

sheepdogandy

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 7298 **8/15/17 4:14 pm**

My concern is that level headed white Southerners will become infuriated by the desecration of Confederate monuments.

And retaliate! Evil or Very Mad

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skinnybishop

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1055 **8/15/17 5:41 pm**

I've said this before:

I'm all for removing Confederate monuments......as long as we remove

1. Mt. Rushmore
2. The Lincoln Memorial
3. Jefferson Memorial
4. U.S. Grant of the $50 bill
5. Jackson of the $20 bill

You get the idea

How we can hate Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, etc.....but ignore the racism of Jackson, Lincoln, Jefferson, etc is beyond me.
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UncleJD

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3138 **8/15/17 6:25 pm**

Quiet Wyatt

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12792 **8/15/17 6:35 pm**

As a big-time history buff who just about became a history teacher, and as one who has long held racism/white supremacy as a terrible stain on our nation, I nevertheless have always viewed the memorials to Confederates and the pro-slavery views of some of our founding fathers as things neither to be celebrated nor obliterated, but rather to be embraced as our very real history, hopefully with a sense of godly sorrow that works repentance.

Resident Skeptic

Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **8/15/17 7:29 pm**

The "Civil War" was Hamiltonianism (North) vs. Jeffersonianism (South). Both were white supremacist. Thus, I side with the ones who at least understood the dangers of Hamiltonianism.
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Cojak

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24275 **8/15/17 7:53 pm**

Somehow it is impossible for HUMANS to understand you cannot change history.

I am so sick of people who cannot see this country was and has improved in the area of racism. YES it existed in my life time and still does at a MUCH smaller scale.

The town of Valdese, NC (and many others) up until the 1960'70 era would not allow a sale of land, house or property to black citizens. They were not allowed to walk the streets after 6PM inside the City limits except Fri or Sat nights when they were allowed to used the HS baseball field, but could not use the toilets or water fountains.

(I used Valdese as an example because I saw it first hand. But I saw the same in North central Missouri when stationed there.)

A couple years ago I visited Valdese, stopped in Myra's Cafe and lo and behold there was a mixed couple, eating at a table and NO ONE was concerned.

Getting better? you bet your life it was getting better.

YES we were headed to continue change. I am GLAD. BUT NO matter what is done WE CANNOT CHANGE the PAST. Some of us feel badly about it but it was not our families, etc.
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Chicago27

Friendly Face Posts: 253 **8/15/17 8:03 pm**

Move them to the museums.

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Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **8/15/17 8:12 pm**

Chicago27

Friendly Face Posts: 253 **8/15/17 9:28 pm**

Honor them in the museum.

diakoneo

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **8/15/17 10:50 pm**

Cojak

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24275 **8/15/17 10:53 pm**

[quote="Quiet Wyatt"]As a big-time history buff who just about became a history teacher, and as one who has long held racism/white supremacy as a terrible stain on our nation, I nevertheless have always viewed the memorials to Confederates and the pro-slavery views of some of our founding fathers as things neither to be celebrated nor obliterated, but rather to be embraced as our very real history, hopefully with a sense of godly sorrow that works repentance.[/quote] Thumb Up

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Re: Why Do We Feel So Different About Confederate Monuments?

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 **8/15/17 11:48 pm**

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Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1449 **8/16/17 6:33 am**

I am for offensive statues being moved to museums where those that want to visit can go get all the viewing they want. History would be preserved and all should be happy.

People could then carry their kids and tell them any story they wanted to tell, from "long live the Confederacy to how awful those times were in the eyes of God".

skinnybishop

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Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1055 **8/16/17 7:23 am**

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