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A gentlemanly challenge to a Brad Freeman statement

doyle · Acts-celerate Owner Posts: 6957 **8/14/17 1:25 pm**

In another post http://www.actscelerate.com/viewtopic.php?t=87536, it was shared where Hebrews 9:27 says, "It is appointed unto men once to die and then the judgement." Brad Freeman made the following response.

"This passage is not a promise from God of death and judgment. It is the truth that another was offered, that He died our death. It is the truth that another took our sins, that for which we would be judged. It is the truth that Jesus kept our appointment with death and judgment...He tasted death for every man.

So, we offer Brad an opportunity here to bring clarity to his statement.

In his first post of that thread, Brad's statement about Hebrews 9:27 was: "This passage is not a promise from God of death and judgment."

This writer has never heard anyone dispute that Hebrews 9:27 says, all men (except for those who alive when Jesus returns) will face death. Most likely, none of us have been fans of what the writer of Hebrews 9:27 penned thousands of years ago. So hearing that it does not say "It is appointed unto men once to die," is certainly wonderful news.

Brad, are you saying Hebrews 9:27 is not true, or are you saying that text was speaking about spiritual death instead of physical death? Did Jesus die physically so we would not face physical death, or did He die spiritually so we would not face spiritual death? I had never heard that Jesus dying on the Cross meant we would not face physical death.

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bradfreeman

Re: A gentlemanly challenge to a Brad Freeman statement

Acts-dicted Posts: 9027 **8/16/17 8:16 pm**

Mark Ledbetter

The point is made clear in full context:

Golf Cart Mafia Associate Posts: 2109 **8/17/17 8:20 am**

Hebrews 9 emphasizes the superior sacrifice of Jesus in terms of the Tabernacle and Sacrificial system in heaven vs the earthly and limited Tabernacle on earth. The earthly sacrificial system had to be renewed continuously and specifically annually on the Day of Atonement.

As verse 26 reveals if the Heavenly Sacrifice had required the same as the earthly then Jesus' personal sacrifice would have to be repeated - but His Sacrifice was sufficient for all times and all men.

Then verse 27: "In as much as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment." This is a generalized statement. Judgment follows death.

Yet, verse 28: "so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him."

The salvation He brings at His second appearance is deliverance from the judgment that will fall upon all who not eagerly awaiting Him.

Add to this Paul's reference in 1 Thessalonians 5:9-10, "For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him.

Salvation from judgment/God's wrath is found in the Resurrection-Cathching Away depicted in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17.

Therefore, there are two "salvations": Salvation from Sin secured by Jesus' First Appearing; and Salvation from Judgment/God's Wrath at His Second Appearing.
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bradfreeman

Re: The point is made clear in full context:

Acts-dicted Posts: 9027 **8/17/17 8:36 am**

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Does this mean its now OK to dance?

Mark Ledbetter

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