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JLarry |
My. 4:40. When the sun was sitting, all those who had any that were sick with various diseases brought them to Him; and He laid His hands on every one if them and healed them.
Not one mention of Jesus saying, not you Jack it is not my will to heal you.
No, He laid hands on every one if them and healed them.
Now the big question is settled.
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Lu.5 a man with leprosy came to Jesus and said, if you are willing you can make me clean. Jesus said I am willing.
There is no record of Jesus ever saying I am not willing.
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| And if you really want to settle the question |
brotherjames |
| As to His will about healing and pretty much everything else, consider Matt. 6:10. Thy ( our Father) kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. In other words, God's will is for earth to be like heaven. Settled. And the Finished work of Calvary provided for it to be so. Doesn't mean Satan doesn't have a say in this world but the will of God is understood. |
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7/26/17 10:52 am
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bonnie knox |
| Quote: | | Doesn't mean Satan doesn't have a say in this world... |
In practical terms, what does that mean? |
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Da Sheik |
Ask any hospital chaplain if God ever uses sickness to the glory of God and come back here and report your findings.
I was very blessed in the summer of 1995 to be introduced to Joni Eareckson Tada by a mutual friend. At the time, I held to WoF teachings on health due to those who were very influential in my life. Listening to her testimony and actually examining the scriptures for myself with no WoF bias I changed my views.
Nobody wants to be sick, especially with some chronic or degenerative disease. When I am ill I pray but I also seek medical help. But to say God always heals unless there is lack of faith is absurd. And it robs people of the redemptive power of their suffering. Sometimes God uses someone's infirmity for a greater purpose (i.e Joni ET and the Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:13-14. |
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7/26/17 10:35 pm
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| Da Sheik wrote: | Ask any hospital chaplain if God ever uses sickness to the glory of God and come back here and report your findings.
I was very blessed in the summer of 1995 to be introduced to Joni Eareckson Tada by a mutual friend. At the time, I held to WoF teachings on health due to those who were very influential in my life. Listening to her testimony and actually examining the scriptures for myself with no WoF bias I changed my views.
Nobody wants to be sick, especially with some chronic or degenerative disease. When I am ill I pray but I also seek medical help. But to say God always heals unless there is lack of faith is absurd. And it robs people of the redemptive power of their suffering. Sometimes God uses someone's infirmity for a greater purpose (i.e Joni ET and the Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:13-14. |
What you say is very true, and I agree.
I also agree that as far as I remember Jesus did heal all that came to him while he walked on Earth.
I am a firm believer that there is Oceans of difference in one walking to Jesus personally and seeking healing. And praying here on earth with the Holy Spirit near BUT NOT SEEN!
I cannot argue my point nor explain 'my heart' But 2000 years have elapsed, knowledge and the deep wisdom of the Sages is not apparent. What has happened? I have no idea, but I do know it has been a long time since I have witnessed a 'physical miracle' in today's church. If I hear of a miracle it is in the next state or in an obscure country.
Something has changed. Is it us? Even in my youth I remember the great 'healing revivals', I knew a couple folk who were taken out of their Wheel chairs, they staggered, but walked. The Evangelist said they needed time to learn to walk again. Well after the evangelist left town, the guys were back in the wheel chairs. I was only a kid, but I knew the story of the man who could not walk and when Peter said DO IT, he came up running and walking, he did not need time to learn to walk.
I know everyone is not healed today, that is apparent. But I do read that all who came to Jesus were healed. Confusing? certainly. Make me lose faith? Not again. I'm good. I believe and at times tremble because I do not KNOW a lot, but I know He loves me. 
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JLarry |
For the record I am not into the WOF teaching. They say Abraham called things that are not as they are. Rom.4:17 clearly says, even GOD who called things that as tho they were.
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bradfreeman |
| Da Sheik wrote: | Ask any hospital chaplain if God ever uses sickness to the glory of God and come back here and report your findings.
I was very blessed in the summer of 1995 to be introduced to Joni Eareckson Tada by a mutual friend. At the time, I held to WoF teachings on health due to those who were very influential in my life. Listening to her testimony and actually examining the scriptures for myself with no WoF bias I changed my views.
Nobody wants to be sick, especially with some chronic or degenerative disease. When I am ill I pray but I also seek medical help. But to say God always heals unless there is lack of faith is absurd. And it robs people of the redemptive power of their suffering. Sometimes God uses someone's infirmity for a greater purpose (i.e Joni ET and the Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:13-14. |
God works "all things together" for our good. He can turn bad situations into good outcomes. But it's Christ's suffering that has "redemptive power", not ours. He is the Good Tree that cannot bear bad fruit.
Jesus showed us the Father and healed all who believed.
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| Re: Jesus healed ALL |
Nature Boy Florida |
| JLarry wrote: | My. 4:40. When the sun was sitting, all those who had any that were sick with various diseases brought them to Him; and He laid His hands on every one if them and healed them.
Not one mention of Jesus saying, not you Jack it is not my will to heal you.
No, He laid hands on every one if them and healed them.
Now the big question is settled. |
So faith wasn't required to be healed during this time. Is that right?
Anyone that came - whether they had some unbelief in their heart or not - was healed. ALL of them were healed.
Just want to make sure that is your position - because when Brad gave the thumbs up it confused me - as he always gives an out that Jesus pulls back at the least bit of unbelief. With a crowd of this size - that could have easily been 5 or 10 thousand - many of them were there just because there was a crowd and thought - why not?
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7/27/17 9:32 am
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| Uh NBF |
brotherjames |
| it isn't necessarily lack of faith on the part of the one prayed for that plays any role if they are unbelievers. Certainly Jesus did not doubt in any manner. I have prayed for deaf, dumb people who didn't have a clue about what i was saying and I doubt seriously if they had any faith whatsoever but God healed them anyway. I will say that when a believer doubts if God will heal him or not it does play a role in whether that person might be healed or not however. |
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7/27/17 9:44 am
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Nature Boy Florida |
Just wanting to know if 10,000 folks got prayed for - and everyone - ALL - was/were healed - were any healed by Jesus that didn't have faith?
Just want to be clear what we are saying.
At other times, the folks that Jesus healed that were dead - I would say none of them exercised any faith - but they were healed.
So - to go on record - of the ALL that were healed - did any of them lack faith - but were healed anyway - because that is what Jesus - was planning/willing to do that day.
Just want to know what the belief is.
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7/27/17 10:18 am
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bonnie knox |
Why did Jesus only heal the one man at the pool of Bethesda and leave the rest to the lottery of being the first one in the water?
Why did Jesus pass by the lame man who was daily laid at the gate of the Temple? |
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Nature Boy Florida |
I want to know about the instance where he healed ALL.
Are we to believe all 10,000 had more faith than all but one poor soul at the pool of Bethesda?
I want to know what the guy praying has to do with it.
Because if we could nullify any prayers from others - why would you ever call for the elders of the church to pray?
Why would anyone ever pray for someone else if it would simply be canceled by the person being prayed for?
Seems like any call to pray for others was a judgment error by Jesus and the disciples since it made no difference to whether the folks were healed or not - as the person with unbelief holds complete veto power over any healing.
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7/27/17 10:37 am
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brotherjames |
| why don't you ask Him? It isn't germaine to the issue since ALL He prayed for WERE healed. And to answer NBF, many had no faith, especially the dead ones. |
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7/27/17 10:39 am
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bonnie knox |
| bonnie knox wrote: | | Quote: | | Doesn't mean Satan doesn't have a say in this world... |
In practical terms, what does that mean? |
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7/27/17 10:48 am
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Nature Boy Florida |
| brotherjames wrote: | | why don't you ask Him? It isn't germaine to the issue since ALL He prayed for WERE healed. And to answer NBF, many had no faith, especially the dead ones. |
I did ask in this thread.
Hope he answers.
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bradfreeman |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | | brotherjames wrote: | | why don't you ask Him? It isn't germaine to the issue since ALL He prayed for WERE healed. And to answer NBF, many had no faith, especially the dead ones. |
I did ask in this thread.
Hope he answers. |
You should keep asking the same question every 30 minutes until he answers... Are you trying to get your post numbers up? 
2 versions of Jesus return to His hometown:
And He did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief. Mat 13:58
And He could do no miracle there except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6 And He wondered at their unbelief. Mark 6:5
James teaching on faith and sickness:
and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him. James 5:15
There are many more.
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7/27/17 1:28 pm
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| Re: No idea |
Nature Boy Florida |
| bradfreeman wrote: | | Nature Boy Florida wrote: | | brotherjames wrote: | | why don't you ask Him? It isn't germaine to the issue since ALL He prayed for WERE healed. And to answer NBF, many had no faith, especially the dead ones. |
I did ask in this thread.
Hope he answers. |
You should keep asking the same question every 30 minutes until he answers... Are you trying to get your post numbers up?
2 versions of Jesus return to His hometown:
And He did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief. Mat 13:58
And He could do no miracle there except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6 And He wondered at their unbelief. Mark 6:5
James teaching on faith and sickness:
and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him. James 5:15
There are many more. |
Let's look at the scripture you offered Brad:
- regarding the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick - is it the one praying that needs the faith - or the one who is sick?
Which one needs the faith - the one doing the praying or the sick person?
Which one needs the faith - the one doing the praying or the dead person?
Let's cut to the chase...
Isn't this where you usually end up:
And Jesus came that Christians might have guilt and have it more abundantly because if they simply had the faith they would be healed.
All the Christians in the hospital, with cancer, with debilitation from stroke, etc.. have no one to blame but themselves because if they simply had enough faith they would be healed.
All the poor Christians without food to eat have no one to blame but themselves because if they simply had enough faith they would be rich and in abundance here on earth.
Isn't that right?
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7/27/17 2:40 pm
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bradfreeman |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Let's look at the scripture you offered Brad:
- regarding the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick - is it the one praying that needs the faith - or the one who is sick? |
The James passage indicates that the one praying has faith. Does the prayer not offered in faith save the sick?
| Quote: | Let's cut to the chase...
Isn't this where you usually end up:
And Jesus came that Christians might have guilt and have it more abundantly because if they simply had the faith they would be healed.
All the Christians in the hospital, with cancer, with debilitation from stroke, etc.. have no one to blame but themselves because if they simply had enough faith they would be healed.
All the poor Christians without food to eat have no one to blame but themselves because if they simply had enough faith they would be rich and in abundance here on earth.
Isn't that right? |
I don't look to blame anyone. I look to build people's faith by sharing the message of Christ with them. Guilt is not the feeling most sick people experience. The frustration for them is pretty much the same whether they question their belief or wonder why God is giving them cancer.
You, however, are left clearly blaming God for starvation, cancer, etc. It's a very Calvinistic position.
You are also left ignoring the teachings of Jesus and what Jesus clearly showed us about the Father...the scriptures you avoided.
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