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Ryan Metzgar |
https://relevantmagazine.com/slice/rev-samuel-rodriguez-speaks-out-on-the-arrest-of-immigrant-pastor/
The reason REAL change in our political is so hard to accomplish is because, by nature, people find it hard to admit they were wrong. When the next voting cycle comes around we wind up supporting the same candidates bc voting for the other would be admitting we were wrong about who we previously supported. I say this bc it goes to the heart of what is currently happening in our country. Donald Trump is PIMPING the evangelical church in return for support. Here we have a pastor, married to an American woman, with 2 children, lived here for 20 years and has been deported. Yet all I've heard is crickets from believers. Why? Bc he had a group of prosperity preachers come to the WH And pray for him? What fruits does Donny T bear as opposed to this pastor who has dedicated his life to the cause of Christ? This is a big deal. I voted for Donny bc it was a protest vote, however, he showing he has no loyalties to anyone or any group. Thank you Rev. Samuel Rodriguez for speaking out in support of Rev. Noe Carias. |
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7/26/17 10:31 am
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Something doesn't smell right about that story. We're only getting one side of it.
I did NOT vote for Trump as a protest (assuming you are talking about the primaries). I said all along he would be my last choice (IF I even voted). I did vote for him in the general election because I didn't like the alternative. (He is turning out to be somewhere between my worst fears and my highest hopes (not that great). But I'll take whatever we get compared to what we would have got (a SCOTUS pick that would have sealed our fate as another failing euro-socialist country.
As for "pimping out", that is true of most politicians. i.e. the black church has been pimped out to the lying democratic party for decades with the promise of a few hand outs but NEVER any real results.
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After reading the second link from inside the article, I see the following which, like it or not, is the law of the land. He was not supposed to be here, marrying a US Citizen AFTER being deported does not grant residency. I don't see a Biblical problem with enforcement of the law, its not a law against God's law is it?
I do pray that an exception is made based on his present situation, but that is up to the lawful government.
| Quote: | | Carias was first deported from the United States in 1993 as a teenager after he entered the country illegally. He later returned to the United States and ignored a second deportation order in 1995. |
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7/26/17 10:40 am
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It would be real sad if an immigrant that came here legally would be deported.
If they came here illegally - should we give a pass for breaking the law? Is that what Christianity is now? what ever happened to "restitution where possible?"
Great sadness always happens when folks break the law. Hopefully the AG has a presence in his home country to help him - that would be the Christian thing to do.
If the US was closed to folks it would be one thing - but there were all kinds of ways to get here legally for years.
I hope in a few years he works his way back legally.
If Elian Gonzalez was sent back due to the rule of law - how is this case any more deserving?
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7/26/17 10:49 am
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Ryan Metzgar |
| From a biblical perspective I would argue this man should be supported by the christian community. I'm not an ICE Ageny so I don't know all the laws or paperwork that he may have missed, however he was married to an american women with children here in the states. To me that would make him a legal resident as opposed to someone who is simply here illegally not paying taxes. I just think it makes the church look bad that we continue to support this guy (Trump) when he continues to show his true colors. Jeff Sessions was his biggest supporter, BELIEVERS came out in support of Trump because of the Session endorsement and now Trump is publicly bearding him. At what point do we take a 2nd look at this guy? |
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7/26/17 10:56 am
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| Ryan Metzgar wrote: | | From a biblical perspective I would argue this man should be supported by the christian community. I'm not an ICE Ageny so I don't know all the laws or paperwork that he may have missed, however he was married to an american women with children here in the states. To me that would make him a legal resident as opposed to someone who is simply here illegally not paying taxes. I just think it makes the church look bad that we continue to support this guy (Trump) when he continues to show his true colors. Jeff Sessions was his biggest supporter, BELIEVERS came out in support of Trump because of the Session endorsement and now Trump is publicly bearding him. At what point do we take a 2nd look at this guy? |
Did you vote for Trump in the primary? Is that what you mean by "protest"?I assume it is since voting for him vs Hillary is not a protest vote. If so, then look in the mirror for who's fault he's there. Maybe the church's problem is not Trump as much as it is a lack of discernment when there actually was a choice (it became a non-choice once it went to the general)
I agree with NBF, the Christian support he needs is not rioting for this man to not be deported, that's lawlessness. The support he should get is prayer for mercy (I pray for that), or at least for help and guidance in his home country. Maybe, just maybe, God can use him more there than here! |
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7/26/17 11:05 am
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| Is he a legal citizen? |
wayne |
| I did not read in the article that Pastor Noe Carias was a legal citizen. Did I miss it? |
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7/26/17 11:31 am
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| Re: Calling all TRUMP Supporters |
Resident Skeptic |
| Ryan Metzgar wrote: | https://relevantmagazine.com/slice/rev-samuel-rodriguez-speaks-out-on-the-arrest-of-immigrant-pastor/
The reason REAL change in our political is so hard to accomplish is because, by nature, people find it hard to admit they were wrong. When the next voting cycle comes around we wind up supporting the same candidates bc voting for the other would be admitting we were wrong about who we previously supported. I say this bc it goes to the heart of what is currently happening in our country. Donald Trump is PIMPING the evangelical church in return for support. Here we have a pastor, married to an American woman, with 2 children, lived here for 20 years and has been deported. Yet all I've heard is crickets from believers. Why? Bc he had a group of prosperity preachers come to the WH And pray for him? What fruits does Donny T bear as opposed to this pastor who has dedicated his life to the cause of Christ? This is a big deal. I voted for Donny bc it was a protest vote, however, he showing he has no loyalties to anyone or any group. Thank you Rev. Samuel Rodriguez for speaking out in support of Rev. Noe Carias. |
You are jumping to allot of conclusions and making allot of assumptions. If the guy is illegal, why should I be hopping mad that he is being deported? He ignored a court order, for crying out loud! There are people who run from the law, live clean lives decades, but still eventually get captured. Why should I be outraged over this pastor and not someone who escaped from jail 30 years ago where they were serving a sentence for a non-violent crime?
As for Jeff Sessions, as much as I like him, he should have counseled with Trump before tying his own hands with these blasted recusals. He is now obliged to sit by helplessly while the Dems make a mockery of justice. He needs to go.
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