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caseyleejones |
I have noticed a trend of gay marriage and gay relationships being acceptable among our youth in church. These are not kids who hate God but just the opposite.
Are you seeing that? |
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bonnie knox |
| Yes, culture seems to have succeeded in "normalizing" it to the point that it is accepted among young people. |
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UncleJD |
| Well what do we expect when our seeker-friendly, cheap grace churches that we only go to for 1 hour a week say very little about the subject while our school system and entertainment industry, which they spend hundreds of ours with say the exact opposite of the truth? I'm sure some parents are filling in the gaps, but are most? |
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| UncleJD wrote: | | Well what do we expect when our seeker-friendly, cheap grace churches that we only go to for 1 hour a week say very little about the subject while our school system and entertainment industry, which they spend hundreds of ours with say the exact opposite of the truth? I'm sure some parents are filling in the gaps, but are most? |
What is the going price for grace at your church?
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UncleJD |
| bradfreeman wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | | Well what do we expect when our seeker-friendly, cheap grace churches that we only go to for 1 hour a week say very little about the subject while our school system and entertainment industry, which they spend hundreds of ours with say the exact opposite of the truth? I'm sure some parents are filling in the gaps, but are most? |
What is the going price for grace at your church? |
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7/5/17 12:53 pm
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The COG Apostle |
| Maybe they understand what people do outside the church is their business and not the church's business. We tend to want to make people live sin-free before they become believers in Christ. They also don't rank sins. They see that people inside the church who are judgmental is worse than people outside the church embracing homosexuality. I think they get it better than we do, |
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7/5/17 2:02 pm
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UncleJD |
| The COG Apostle wrote: | | .... I think they get it better than we do, |
That must be it |
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7/5/17 2:23 pm
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| Remember Lot's Wife |
Mat |
| The COG Apostle wrote: | | Maybe they understand what people do outside the church is their business and not the church's business. We tend to want to make people live sin-free before they become believers in Christ. They also don't rank sins. They see that people inside the church who are judgmental is worse than people outside the church embracing homosexuality. I think they get it better than we do, |
Is that how Lot felt? Did not work out so well for his family or the others. "Live and let live" can be an excuse for not sharing the Gospel and blaming people inside the church is much the same.
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7/5/17 3:49 pm
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Cojak |
| UncleJD wrote: | | bradfreeman wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | | Well what do we expect when our seeker-friendly, cheap grace churches that we only go to for 1 hour a week say very little about the subject while our school system and entertainment industry, which they spend hundreds of ours with say the exact opposite of the truth? I'm sure some parents are filling in the gaps, but are most? |
What is the going price for grace at your church? |
The blood of Christ Brad
Free does not equal cheap |
I must say Amen JD & it sure wasn't cheap! 
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Cojak |
| bonnie knox wrote: | | Yes, culture seems to have succeeded in "normalizing" it to the point that it is accepted among young people. |
Succinctly stated, and I believe true!
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| Re: Remember Lot's Wife |
The COG Apostle |
| Mat wrote: | | The COG Apostle wrote: | | Maybe they understand what people do outside the church is their business and not the church's business. We tend to want to make people live sin-free before they become believers in Christ. They also don't rank sins. They see that people inside the church who are judgmental is worse than people outside the church embracing homosexuality. I think they get it better than we do, |
Is that how Lot felt? Did not work out so well for his family or the others. "Live and let live" can be an excuse for not sharing the Gospel and blaming people inside the church is much the same.
Mat |
Not sure how an Old Testament reference is relevant here. |
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7/5/17 7:41 pm
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| Re: Remember Lot's Wife |
Mat |
| The COG Apostle wrote: | | Mat wrote: | | The COG Apostle wrote: | | Maybe they understand what people do outside the church is their business and not the church's business. We tend to want to make people live sin-free before they become believers in Christ. They also don't rank sins. They see that people inside the church who are judgmental is worse than people outside the church embracing homosexuality. I think they get it better than we do, |
Is that how Lot felt? Did not work out so well for his family or the others. "Live and let live" can be an excuse for not sharing the Gospel and blaming people inside the church is much the same.
Mat |
Not sure how an Old Testament reference is relevant here. |
Luke 17:32 "Remember Lot's wife!"
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7/5/17 9:47 pm
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The COG Apostle |
| Was she homosexual? |
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7/5/17 9:54 pm
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| Why would Jesus say this? |
Mat |
| The COG Apostle wrote: | | Was she homosexual? |
COG Apostle,
I find your response to my posting of Luke 17:32 a little dismissive, considering the topic of the thread was how more and more younger church goers are accepting of the LBGTQ... lifestyle with a "live and let live" view.
Perhaps you should ask yourself the question, why did Jesus say this? Not only in context of the passage, but what the implications are in regards to the use of the OT reference.
Was Lot's wife homosexual? The Bible does not indicate that. The question is did Lot's wife love the culture of the cities more than the Word of God? Romans chapter one (verse 32) warns of those who "Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them." Her love for the lifestyle she enjoyed in the city was an approval of the practices that were the "fabric" of that culture.
Did she engage in such a lifestyle? We do not know, but we do know that after she was turned to salt for looking back, her husband got blind drunk (must of had it with him) and her daughters had no problem with engaging in incest.
Those three words of Jesus reveal much about being accepting of sexual perversion.
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7/6/17 6:16 am
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The COG Apostle |
| Again, we seem to be more worried about what sins the world commit rather than about what sins the church commits. We will march and protest against gays just wanting to be equal in our society while sin abounds in the church. But, their sin is worse than ours, so let's act the fool. I'm saying that, perhaps, the young Christians get this and we don't. I am impressed with the younger generation and their love of people rather than their pointing out specific sins that don't even matter to a non-believer anyway. What draws the sinner, pointing out their sin or leading them to a knowledge of Christ? I think they get it and we don't. |
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bonnie knox |
| Quote: | | Her love for the lifestyle she enjoyed in the city was an approval of the practices that were the "fabric" of that culture. |
I don't know that the Bible really speaks much to what was motivating Lot's wife to "look back." We can certainly speculate if it was that she loved her lifestyle there. Of course, we could just as well wonder if she was having to leave behind precious grandchildren since she and Lot were leaving behind married daughters who were being destroyed in the fire and brimstone.
But back to the topic of young people's attitude. I daresay more and more young people do not consider homosexual acts sinful.
This is a video that someone posted here before. One person on the video says I'm Christian AND gay, another says I'm Christian AND queer. Another says I'm Christian, but I'm not homophobic (which to me is code for saying if you think homosexual acts are sins you are a "homophobe").
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bWHSpmXEJs |
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Mat |
| The COG Apostle wrote: | | Again, we seem to be more worried about what sins the world commit rather than about what sins the church commits. We will march and protest against gays just wanting to be equal in our society while sin abounds in the church. But, their sin is worse than ours, so let's act the fool. I'm saying that, perhaps, the young Christians get this and we don't. I am impressed with the younger generation and their love of people rather than their pointing out specific sins that don't even matter to a non-believer anyway. What draws the sinner, pointing out their sin or leading them to a knowledge of Christ? I think they get it and we don't. |
You seem to have a "low" opinion of Christians and those who attend church. The Christians, and church goers, I know are the best people in this world. Yes, sometimes they have problems (and sin) in their lives, but at least they are making an effort to overcome, not justify. As a "COG Apostle" you sound more like an Episcopal Bishop with the message of inclusion and social justice.
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Nature Boy Florida |
Pull up some sermon videos of Great Sex, God's Way - that will solve the problem.
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bonnie knox |
I'm afraid to type that in the search bar. Maybe you could just give us the name of the pastor who did the series.
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | | Pull up some sermon videos of Great Sex, God's Way - that will solve the problem. |
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bradfreeman |
| UncleJD wrote: | | bradfreeman wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | | Well what do we expect when our seeker-friendly, cheap grace churches that we only go to for 1 hour a week say very little about the subject while our school system and entertainment industry, which they spend hundreds of ours with say the exact opposite of the truth? I'm sure some parents are filling in the gaps, but are most? |
What is the going price for grace at your church? |
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Using the term "cheap" implies it should cost more for the hearer.
Looks like someone else paid the price. I guess it's not cheap, it's free.
Do you attend a church where you don't get grace unless you quit sinning?
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