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Special Message from Tim Hill (V)

Hey, DOC Posts: 68 **3/22/17 10:21 am**

https://vimeo.com/209478127

When I saw that Tim Hill would be giving a special message last night, I was assuming it would be some sort of announcement.

What are your thoughts on what he said?
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Amazingly strong Video

Hey, DOC Posts: 54 **3/22/17 10:38 am**

Pastoral, honest and focused. So appreciative of a leader willing to talk about such an issue as church systems and structure like he did.

Bro Bob

Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3945 **3/22/17 10:46 am**

There was an email from Brother Wallace to his staff (???) reported here where Bro Wallace stated something about the "system" being the obstacle to a continued relationship. I recall it being stated that 'system' was in bold type.

If this is the same video I watched, which was shared on FB by Stan Holder, Bro Hill talks quite a bit about the system. I found Bro Hill's comments to be accurate and understandable.

If the system is what we have agreed together would be the mechanics of the government of the COG, then what it produces belongs to us, good or bad. If some men in leadership do things outside the system, and the system doesn't hold them to account, then that is a failure of both the man, and the system.

Some things we know are wrong to do when we are doing them. Although the system should be prepared for such and provide a workable method to deal with it, no system is to blame for any wrong act of any individual.

Cojak

Re: Special Message from Tim Hill (V)

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Bro Bob

Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3945 **3/22/17 11:03 am**

I would also like to mention an observation of my own.

In that video we hear Bro Hill refer to his calling at age 17. Bro Wallace often refers to his calling, I think also at 17.

I will, on occasion, ask a minister to tell me about the detail of when he knew he was called. I know my dad's story. I know a few others.

Now I ask all you ministers, what was YOUR calling? What work do you think God expected you to do?

I am willing to bet it is the work you began to do when you answered that call.

If someone then had offered you a job selling life insurance, car salesman, delivering packages for UPS, building tires at the Goodyear factory... you would not have even considered it.

Why not?

So why then is it so easy to stop doing what you began doing and become a State Overseer, or some job at headquarters?

Some of our very best at doing exactly what they were called to do, have stopped doing it.

Now if you turn this around on me, and ask me, "Then how should we fill these jobs that are necessary?", I am afraid I will have to answer, "I don't know."

But I do know men that have politely refused their "opportunity" because they were of a mind to stay with their calling. (Knowing another chance will not be likely to come.)

Cojak

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The COG Apostle

Acts-celerater Posts: 566 **3/22/17 3:09 pm**

Perfect video by the General Overseer. We used to call those who ran the system the "Golf Cart Mafia." They may be gone now.

Cojak

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drmrc

Friendly Face Posts: 301 **3/22/17 4:35 pm**

A very good word from Tim Hill.

Mike Chapman

Quiet Wyatt

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12792 **3/22/17 5:04 pm**

It seemed basically to be a pooh-poohing of the whole idea of a "system," and so, in effect, a dismissing of one of the primary reasons Kevin Wallace gave for his choice to separate from the CoG.

Carolyn Smith

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5909 **3/23/17 10:35 pm**

Carolyn Smith

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5909 **3/23/17 10:45 pm**

Pastor Wright

Hey, DOC Posts: 68 **3/24/17 8:47 am**

bonnie knox

transcript (L)

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **3/25/17 7:59 am**

Thanks, Carolyn, for mentioning the written version. I like having it written out--then I can go through at my own pace and also review more easily.
Here is the link:
http://www.faithnews.cc/?p=24502
I, too, was listening to this in context of the comment that Kevin Wallace was reported to have made:
"We feel God is separating us and the thing He has called us to do from the system that in many ways has come to define our denomination."
Of course, in listening in this context, I kept asking myself what Tim Hill was TRYING to say without actually saying it. He belabored a point about a human body having a skeletal system which he referred to as "structure" and then other systems which he referred to as "systems." I kept waiting for him to close this analogy, but it never seemed to be completed.
When Tim Hill makes the somewhat shocking comparison that one doesn't amputate an arm to correct a fracture, it seems plain enough a suggestion that if one has problems with the COG, it is preferable to try to correct the problem rather that "amputate" the denomination. But for the most part, the talk is a testimony to the title that "system" as he sees it is an ambiguous term. I think a better approach is to define "system" as it relates to the Church of God. A system in an organization is "a set of principles or procedures according to which something is done." Bro Bob makes a good point, I think.

georgiapath

Acts-dicted Posts: 7587 **3/25/17 8:50 am**

That's why I say there is more to it. They both could have said in two minutes what they said, instead both took several minutes to spin it.

I guess it comes down to, which story do you believe.

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Tim Hill Video was a Defining Opportunity and Recaptured the Conversation

Hey, DOC Posts: 54 **3/26/17 8:33 am**

In one video the General Overseer "pastored" the Church of God and recaptured the conversation. Do one doubts the
whole thing was likely prompted by the earlier remarks made about "systems' in KW's own video. That doesn't take rocket science. He said it with
analogy yet precision. He said what everyone knows and it was good to hear a leader admit it. Systems exist, but they exist
everywhere. Someone had to say something. Someone had to show a steady hand and strong leadership. Bishop Hill did that. He took his time, yes.
But it was full of heart, passion and strength, and it must have been necessarily so.