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brotherjames

I think you missed my point

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **8/28/16 7:51 am**

And I couldn't disagree with you more. Not questioning your faith nor mine but as someone else pointed out, it's not God's will that any go to Hell but many will anyway. It's a little different than that but again whether we see everyone healed or not does not negate that according to the Word it IS God's will to heal. I was appealing to your logic only in the sense that when you consider the scriptures I laid out, it can logically be uderstood what is God's will regarding healing.

I know the problem is most likely with me and not God when people I pray for aren't healed. Otherwise His Word is lying to me and I don't believe that's possible. Enjoy yourself in Flagler Beach/Palm Coast. Just got back from West Palm yesterday.

diakoneo

Re: Let me suggest one more thing

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **8/28/16 9:56 am**

bonnie knox

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **8/28/16 12:33 pm**

brotherjames

Sotry Bonnie et all

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **8/28/16 2:59 pm**

It IS THE MOST FAITHLESS prayer I could imagine. Think about it, if you pray "it it be your will Lord", why bother praying? Since you have no idea if He will do something you're not praying in faith, you're praying "I hope". No faith in that.

bonnie knox

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **8/28/16 3:41 pm**

It puts the faith right square where it ought to be--in God and His sovereignty, not in our own ability to muster up the right amount of faith or exploit the secret formula.
By the way, "hope" is not a dirty word in scripture, though the WOF proponents might claim otherwise.

Cojak

Re: Sotry Bonnie et all

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Nature Boy Florida

Re: Sotry Bonnie et all

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16619 **8/29/16 7:46 am**

brotherjames

Well NBF

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **8/29/16 1:52 pm**

my brother, you are using apples and oranges aren't you? If you don't know the Will of God in a situation then you absolutely should pray as Jesus the Son of God prayed, "Lord not my will but yours be done".

BUT and however, when the revealed will of God is available to us or known then to pray "IF it be your will" would absolutely be a FAITHLESS prayer wouldn't it? Just sayin...

Your problem and others is that you try to say you don't know His will regarding healing when in fact it has been revealed to us. For me to pray your prayer would be faithless, for you perhaps not so much. I prefer to err on the side of faith however. My complaint and problem stems from how far our doctrine has slipped into this "faithless" realm in the last 50 years. We didn't used to be here and our Pentecostal forefathers would be amazed.

Quiet Wyatt

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12792 **8/29/16 2:20 pm**

So Jesus didn't know if Calvary was the will of God for him?

brotherjames

You misunderstand methinks

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **8/29/16 2:36 pm**

of course He knew it was the will of God and He wasn't really praying as if He did not know it. As a man, who was tempted/tested in every area as we are, He would have liked to have not suffered the physical torture and death he knew was awaiting Him. But HE KNEW it was the will of God so He prayed nevertheless, not MY will but yours be done. His will was to avoid it but for this purpose was the Son of God made manifest - to go to the cross. He knew.

I was referring to NBF with a rhetorical dialogue and if I gave the impression Jesus didn't know God's Will, I apologize, He did. NBF isn't so sure. A better illustration would be a case where one wasn't sure what job to take, what woman to marry etc. There you could easily say, If it be your will Lord (in a sense asking for God's Wisdom and direction). BUT when you know the Will of God on a matter to pray IF it be your will, that would be a Faithless prayer.