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 You can't just tell people to stop sinning...it won't work! |
bradfreeman |
IT JUST WON'T WORK!
You can't just tell people to stop sinning.
It won't work.
That's what the Law did and it only increased and empowered sin. Rom. 5:20; 1 Cor. 15:56
People first need Truth to empower them to change, to make them free.
They need to know they are not condemned so they can go and sin no more. John 8:11
They need to know they are hidden in Christ to empower them to put to death the deeds of their bodies. Col. 3:1-5
They need to know they are dead, buried and raised with Christ to new life to stop the reign of sin in their bodies. Romans 6:6-12
The mind set on on the flesh discovers that "it is not even able to" keep the rules, can't please God and results in condemnation and death.
The mind set on the Spirit, our new life of no condemnation in Christ, brings life!
"For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God." Rom 8:6-8
Believers need to know they are NOT IN THE FLESH - they aren't being judged by their Jewishness or their ability to keep the Law! They are not alive because they keep a set of religious rules, but because they've been born of the Spirit!
"However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness." Rom 8:9,10
You are not in the flesh if the Spirit dwells in you.
If Christ is in you, your body can be "dead because of sin" and it doesn't affect your spirit - "alive because of righteousness"!
Sin has no dominion over you because you're not in the flesh, not under the Law which determines righteousness based on Jewishness or Law-keeping!
Now you war against sin in your body FROM victory, life and righteousness, not FOR victory, life and righteousness all because you believe!
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7/2/16 10:40 am
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| On the other hand... |
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| Quote: | | "For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously, and godly in the present age." - Titus 2:11-12 |
| Quote: | | "He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with the one who has need. Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed fro the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along will all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you." - Ephesians 4:28-32 |
| Quote: | But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth. Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices, and have put on the new self who is being renewed to true knowledge according to the image of the One who has created him..." - Colossians 3:8
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7/4/16 10:43 pm
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| Re: On the other hand... |
bradfreeman |
| maqqebet wrote: | | Quote: | | "For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously, and godly in the present age." - Titus 2:11-12 |
| Quote: | | "He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with the one who has need. Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed fro the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along will all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you." - Ephesians 4:28-32 |
| Quote: | But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth. Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices, and have put on the new self who is being renewed to true knowledge according to the image of the One who has created him..." - Colossians 3:8
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These passages are entirely the point. Paul ensured that the truth of who they are in Christ was the foundation from which good works would flow.
There is no "other hand" or other way God works in us. Our good works are the "fruit" of Him living in us, not the "root" that brings His presence.
Titus 3:4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a trustworthy statement; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, so that those who have believed God will be careful to engage in good deeds. These things are good and profitable for men.
Eph. 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Col. 3:1 Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth. 3 For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory. 5 Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry.
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7/5/16 5:22 am
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So you do tell people to quit sinning.
The heading of this thread said otherwise.
Glad it is cleared up.
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7/5/16 8:45 am
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| Stop sinning - Paul says! |
spartanfan |
1 Corinthians 15:34 ►
New International Version
Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God--I say this to your shame.
New Living Translation
Think carefully about what is right, and stop sinning. For to your shame I say that some of you don't know God at all.
English Standard Version
Wake up from your drunken stupor, as is right, and do not go on sinning. For some have no knowledge of God. I say this to your shame.
Berean Study Bible
Sober up as you ought, and stop sinning; for some of you are ignorant of God. I say this to your shame.
I'll take the Apostle Paul's example over Brad's any day of the week  |
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7/5/16 11:36 am
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| Re: Stop sinning - Paul says! |
bradfreeman |
| spartanfan wrote: | 1 Corinthians 15:34 ►
New International Version
Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God--I say this to your shame.
New Living Translation
Think carefully about what is right, and stop sinning. For to your shame I say that some of you don't know God at all.
English Standard Version
Wake up from your drunken stupor, as is right, and do not go on sinning. For some have no knowledge of God. I say this to your shame.
Berean Study Bible
Sober up as you ought, and stop sinning; for some of you are ignorant of God. I say this to your shame.
I'll take the Apostle Paul's example over Brad's any day of the week |
He also told them to stop sleeping with temple prostitutes in chapter 6. Re-read the OP. It says you can't just tell people to stop sinning. As you can see, Paul's exhortation follows a WHOLE LOT of talk about who they are in Christ - see chapters 1-15.
If you guys read your Bibles with the same level of care you use on a one-line title, we're in trouble. 
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7/5/16 12:44 pm
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| Re: Stop sinning - Paul says! |
Old Time Country Preacher |
| bradfreeman wrote: |
If you guys read your Bibles with the same level of care you use on a one-line title, we're in trouble. |
My dear Bradford, you hold a degree in jurisprudence. Such a degree highlights the principles of presentation and debate. You come on Acts and try to influence doctrinal/biblical/theological positions with the skills of jurisprudence--positions you once held, but have exchanged them for that which is more palatable to the human psyche. Save the debate for the courtroom. Jurisprudence, when set in juxtaposition with correct biblical exegesis, is at its very best faulty. Now stop sinning! |
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7/5/16 1:21 pm
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| Re: Stop sinning - Paul says! |
bradfreeman |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | bradfreeman wrote: |
If you guys read your Bibles with the same level of care you use on a one-line title, we're in trouble. |
My dear Bradford, you hold a degree in jurisprudence. Such a degree highlights the principles of presentation and debate. You come on Acts and try to influence doctrinal/biblical/theological positions with the skills of jurisprudence--positions you once held, but have exchanged them for that which is more palatable to the human psyche. Save the debate for the courtroom. Jurisprudence, when set in juxtaposition with correct biblical exegesis, is at its very best faulty. Now stop sinning! |
My dear Old Timer, you apparently don't know anything about a degree in jurisprudence. There's no debate. Simple reading of a one-line title doesn't take a law degree. It's simple enough for a hilljack from Harlan County like myself or Pikeville, like yourself.
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7/5/16 1:41 pm
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| Re: Stop sinning - Paul says! |
spartanfan |
Yep
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7/5/16 1:49 pm
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| Re: Stop sinning - Paul says! |
bradfreeman |
| spartanfan wrote: | | Oh, I see what you are saying. You can't only tell them.... your choice of words was lacking. But having said that - it makes the whole thread useless because everyone knows you have to tell people much more than "just what not to do" - you have to tell them what to do also. That's common sense and if that's what you're going for then this whole thing is frivolous. Dumb thread. |
Sparty, you missed it again.
You can't just tell them what to do or not to do. Religion gives people plenty to do.
You have to tell them the Truth. Grace gives people something to believe.
Is this all your ministry is? Telling people what to do and what not to do? Then you have an old covenant ministry.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.
Our inheritance is NOT based on law (something to do or not to do - works), it is based on a promise (something to believe - faith)!
Our lifestyle is fruit, produced by God who works in us both to will and to do.
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I'm not saved because I'm good. I'm saved because He's good!
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My blog: http://bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/ |
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7/5/16 2:01 pm
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| Playing with words..... |
spartanfan |
Waste of time.
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7/5/16 3:33 pm
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| Re: Playing with words..... |
bradfreeman |
| spartanfan wrote: | I love you but you are soooooo condescending 
I tell them to accept God's grace and to trust in Jesus only for their salvation and life overflowing and eternal blessings in the world to come. You're just playing with words trying to make yourself appear so smart and the rest of us like a bunch of Old Testament grace ignorant law emphasizers. Childish rhetoric - straining gnats and swallowing camels.
Waste of time. |
This is condescending...and disappointing. Neither of your accusations is true.
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I'm not saved because I'm good. I'm saved because He's good!
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7/5/16 4:21 pm
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Eddie Robbins |
| People who are believers should be told to stop sinning. People who aren't believers need to be shown that Jesus is who He says He is and hope that they can make the decision to believe that. Telling an unbeliever to stop sinning gets nothing accomplished. You can change every sinner into a non-sinner but if they haven't become believers, they are still lost. |
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7/5/16 4:50 pm
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| Eddie Robbins wrote: | | People who are believers should be told to stop sinning. People who aren't believers need to be shown that Jesus is who He says He is and hope that they can make the decision to believe that. Telling an unbeliever to stop sinning gets nothing accomplished. You can change every sinner into a non-sinner but if they haven't become believers, they are still lost. |
Well said Eddie.
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